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Nullsec Local: How to remove it without completely tilting the scales.
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Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-05-17 20:08:53 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
if you spot a friendly boting, dont report them, dont shoot them, we are not here to do ccp work for them, from mouth of th horse himself the Mittani.


we have no way of knowing who reported a botter, fyi

we have that rule because we just don't want to deal with ratting drama, because we have better things to do


my point is, if you are never gonna enforce no botting within your organization, why would you support a change thats not gonna fix the issue specially when your own alliance refuses to take matters in their own hand! Its ridiculous.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2012-05-17 20:10:09 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
if you spot a friendly boting, dont report them, dont shoot them, we are not here to do ccp work for them, from mouth of th horse himself the Mittani.


we have no way of knowing who reported a botter, fyi

we have that rule because we just don't want to deal with ratting drama, because we have better things to do


my point is, if you are never gonna enforce no botting within your organization, why would you support a change thats not gonna fix the issue specially when your own alliance refuses to take matters in their own hand! Its ridiculous.


because changing game mechanics in some hamfisted attempt to fix botting is stupid

banning bots fixes botting

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-05-17 20:12:36 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
if you spot a friendly boting, dont report them, dont shoot them, we are not here to do ccp work for them, from mouth of th horse himself the Mittani.


we have no way of knowing who reported a botter, fyi

we have that rule because we just don't want to deal with ratting drama, because we have better things to do


my point is, if you are never gonna enforce no botting within your organization, why would you support a change thats not gonna fix the issue specially when your own alliance refuses to take matters in their own hand! Its ridiculous.


because changing game mechanics in some hamfisted attempt to fix botting is stupid

banning bots fixes botting


while I am for bans, 2 times = permaban
so now its ok to ban other people but not "your" people. double standards anyone??
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2012-05-17 20:17:04 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
while I am for bans, 2 times = permaban
so now its ok to ban other people but not "your" people. double standards anyone??


we discourage botting and anybody who talks about botting, encourages botting or anything of the sort gets banned from our services

allowing people to report/shoot bots opens a can of worms of stupid ratting drama that we simply don't want to put up in a 4000 man alliance surrounded by a significantly larger coalition

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-05-17 20:21:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
Richard Desturned wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
while I am for bans, 2 times = permaban
so now its ok to ban other people but not "your" people. double standards anyone??


we discourage botting and anybody who talks about botting, encourages botting or anything of the sort gets banned from our services

allowing people to report/shoot bots opens a can of worms of stupid ratting drama that we simply don't want to put up in a 4000 man alliance surrounded by a significantly larger coalition


I hate to say this cos i detest bots but did you ever stopped and thinked that the same thing that you just said above also applies to other alliances? How can you even think that this is not ok with the rest but its ok with your alliance? So how can you still call for baning and not enforce it in your own alliance? STOP the hypocracy (again, no offence)
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-05-17 20:26:26 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
So how can you still call for baning and not eenforce it in your own alliance? STOP the hypocracy (again, no offence)


because the task of enforcing the EULA comes with a paycheck, not a monthly subscription, and the people who find bots and mete out the appropriate punishments are actually equipped to do so

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Caldari Citizen 786478786
#47 - 2012-05-17 20:27:38 UTC
Halfway through the original post my first thought was "what a terrible ******* idea?". Soon after that my second thought was, "Oh, the OP is from TEST. Why am I not surprised?".
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2012-05-17 20:28:08 UTC
Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:
Halfway through the original post my first thought was "what a terrible ******* idea?". Soon after that my second thought was, "Oh, the OP is from TEST. Why am I not surprised?".


you're from "School of Applied Knowledge" lol

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Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-05-17 20:29:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
Richard Desturned wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
So how can you still call for baning and not eenforce it in your own alliance? STOP the hypocracy (again, no offence)


because the task of enforcing the EULA comes with a paycheck, not a monthly subscription, and the people who find bots and mete out the appropriate punishments are actually equipped to do so


again, the same thing can be said for your alliance! We are going in circles. You cant enforce something that "your" alliance is happy to do so. You are exaclty like them the only difference is you want them banned and not yours!
Its double standards which ever way you look at it.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2012-05-17 20:31:44 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
again, the same thing can be said for your alliance! We are going in circles. You cant enforce something that "your" alliance is happy to do so. You are exaclty like them the only difference is you want them banned and not yours!


wow it's almost like you don't get the point

we can't stop anybody from reporting bots, but if they choose to beat their chests about it they're gone

hint: we don't care if idiots get banned for botting, goons or otherwise

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Caldari Citizen 786478786
#51 - 2012-05-17 20:39:16 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
you're from "School of Applied Knowledge" lol


Clever retort, chap, but it doesn't change the fact that the OP's idea is ******* terrible.
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-05-17 20:39:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
Richard Desturned wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
again, the same thing can be said for your alliance! We are going in circles. You cant enforce something that "your" alliance is happy to do so. You are exaclty like them the only difference is you want them banned and not yours!


wow it's almost like you don't get the point

we can't stop anybody from reporting bots, but if they choose to beat their chests about it they're gone

hint: we don't care if idiots get banned for botting, goons or otherwise


excuse me but you just said your alliance did care a few posts ago cos otherwise the whole drama thing with 4000 people and your enemies next door.
As i said, you cant enforce something when you dont enforce it yourselves like we did and blew up the guy boting in our own alliance followed by a kick and report. I guess you guys are not so keen about removing bots just other peoples bots! ALL BOTS DEAD. NO EXCEPTIONS
Creed Richards
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2012-05-17 20:46:01 UTC
I must admit the OP's suggestion is a balanced take on the question and deserves further scruntiny.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2012-05-17 20:49:01 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
again, the same thing can be said for your alliance! We are going in circles. You cant enforce something that "your" alliance is happy to do so. You are exaclty like them the only difference is you want them banned and not yours!


wow it's almost like you don't get the point

we can't stop anybody from reporting bots, but if they choose to beat their chests about it they're gone

hint: we don't care if idiots get banned for botting, goons or otherwise


excuse me but you just said your alliance did care a few posts ago cos otherwise the whole drama thing with 4000 people and your enemies next door.
As i said, you cant enforce something when you dont enforce it yourselves like we did and blew up the guy boting in our own alliance followed by a kick and report. I guess you guys are not so keen about removing bots just other peoples bots! ALL BOTS DEAD. NO EXCEPTIONS


no, you selectively drew whatever conclusion best suits your argument

when I said "allowing people to report/shoot bots opens a can of worms of stupid ratting drama that we simply don't want to put up in a 4000 man alliance surrounded by a significantly larger coalition" I meant that we don't want to deal with situations where it's one person's word versus another's

believe it or not, not everybody that rats in 0.0 is botting

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-05-17 20:55:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
Richard Desturned wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
again, the same thing can be said for your alliance! We are going in circles. You cant enforce something that "your" alliance is happy to do so. You are exaclty like them the only difference is you want them banned and not yours!


wow it's almost like you don't get the point

we can't stop anybody from reporting bots, but if they choose to beat their chests about it they're gone

hint: we don't care if idiots get banned for botting, goons or otherwise


excuse me but you just said your alliance did care a few posts ago cos otherwise the whole drama thing with 4000 people and your enemies next door.
As i said, you cant enforce something when you dont enforce it yourselves like we did and blew up the guy boting in our own alliance followed by a kick and report. I guess you guys are not so keen about removing bots just other peoples bots! ALL BOTS DEAD. NO EXCEPTIONS


no, you selectively drew whatever conclusion best suits your argument

when I said "allowing people to report/shoot bots opens a can of worms of stupid ratting drama that we simply don't want to put up in a 4000 man alliance surrounded by a significantly larger coalition" I meant that we don't want to deal with situations where it's one person's word versus another's

believe it or not, not everybody that rats in 0.0 is botting


ofcource not.
i was not selective at all. I read exactly what it says. Its not my fault you did not word it right. But once again, somebody in another alliance does not wants to "deal with situations where it's one person's word versus another's" as you just mentioned, so again how can you still argue for ban for boting and not enforce it within your alliance?
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2012-05-17 21:04:43 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
ofcource not.
i was not selective at all. I read exactly what it says. Its not my fault you did not word it right. But once again, somebody in another alliance does not wants to "deal with situations where it's one person's word versus another's" as you just mentioned, so again how can you still argue for ban for boting and not enforce it within your alliance?


we don't pay to enforce CCP's rules

simple as that

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-05-17 21:11:29 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
ofcource not.
i was not selective at all. I read exactly what it says. Its not my fault you did not word it right. But once again, somebody in another alliance does not wants to "deal with situations where it's one person's word versus another's" as you just mentioned, so again how can you still argue for ban for boting and not enforce it within your alliance?


we don't pay to enforce CCP's rules

simple as that


The rest of eve dont pay to enforce CCP's rules either but they also understand, wrong is wrong and right is right.
The rest of eve also dont pay to have your views imposed to them specially when it does not apply to your alliance simply cos you dont want to. It is simple as that!
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2012-05-17 21:18:48 UTC
Andrea Roche wrote:
The rest of eve dont pay to enforce CCP's rules either but they also understand, wrong is wrong and right is right.
The rest of eve also dont pay to have your views imposed to them specially when it does not apply to your alliance simply cos you dont want to. It is simple as that!


you seem to think that bots need to be reported for CCP to do anything about them

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-05-17 21:25:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
Richard Desturned wrote:
Andrea Roche wrote:
The rest of eve dont pay to enforce CCP's rules either but they also understand, wrong is wrong and right is right.
The rest of eve also dont pay to have your views imposed to them specially when it does not apply to your alliance simply cos you dont want to. It is simple as that!


you seem to think that bots need to be reported for CCP to do anything about them


you seem to think that removing local will get rid of bots. News flash. Anything can be hacked. Anything. All you need is but an interest to do so and a camera or an alt, or direct memory adressing or any other method out there.
You simply will regretfully never get rid or botters and therefore removing local does not solve the issue.
Think about it, how long did that PL hack existed before it got reported. If it wasnt cos it got reporte by PL, CCP would never know. Anythign can be hacked
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-05-17 21:26:34 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Here's how you do it:

1. open eve source code
2. find section of code regarding local in WHs
3. select it, hit crtl+c
4. find section of code regarding local in nullsec
5. select it, hit ctrl+v
6. ???
7. celebrate making nullsec PVP interesting.

Local turns 95% of pvp into blobbing, station games and POSing up.


okay, while we're at it we might as well remove

gates
jump drives
static belts

and require probing to do anything meaningful in nullsec

because if you want wormhole style local, why not move to a wormhole?



I do live in a WH.
the reason I do so is local makes nullsec useless.
it needs to be at the very least 5-10min delayed.

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