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CSM7 Summit Topic: EVE U.I.

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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#1 - 2012-05-17 21:24:06 UTC
EVE U.I. - We are going to dig deeper into the future of how the game looks and plays.

Do people have specific areas they would like us to focus on? Have you all seen the new UIs on Sisi that are coming for Inferno? More of that?

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CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#2 - 2012-05-17 22:03:59 UTC
I think it needs more pink, can you discuss that with the UI people?

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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
#3 - 2012-05-17 22:07:38 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
I think it needs more pink, can you discuss that with the UI people?


Won't the Hello Kitty ship skins for Aurum be enough? You want more than that?

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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#4 - 2012-05-17 22:26:23 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
I think it needs more pink, can you discuss that with the UI people?
The Art Director says "no"...

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JamesCLK
#5 - 2012-05-17 23:19:50 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
I think it needs more pink, can you discuss that with the UI people?
The Art Director says "no"...

They could, but *shrug*...Lol

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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-05-18 08:25:09 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
I think it needs more pink, can you discuss that with the UI people?
The Art Director says "no"...


Those pesky Art Directors...

(tho in this case I believe he is actually saving the sanity of the EVE playerbase which is probably a good thing)
Siobhan MacLeary
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-05-18 08:40:33 UTC
Two step wrote:
EVE U.I. - We are going to dig deeper into the future of how the game looks and plays.

Do people have specific areas they would like us to focus on? Have you all seen the new UIs on Sisi that are coming for Inferno? More of that?


I am a terrible EVE player and haven't made a SiSi folder yet. :shame:

While I like how the game looks now, I've seen the mockups that everyone else has seen (especially the one with the crew slots to the left) and I am really looking forward to seeing how the UI will evolve, and to finding out what, exactly, those crew slots would be used for.

Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#8 - 2012-05-18 08:42:26 UTC
For UI hmm.

I serioulsy think that training, skill queue, implants and clones needs a bit more 'unification'. Getting a bit annoyed these days going around the entire ui looking for things.

Also I think overall mission windows needs another look at, namel the massive size they occupy. Then a more intiutive journal button like lets say, mouse over then get a fly out of all journal items pending for quick select.

Then market needs to have more catagory icons, some groups have been far to long without em.

Also all weapon upgrades need to have thier icons correlated, instead of a generic heat sinked barrel there should be specific then color toned ones, the ribbed barrel being a rail gun for magstabs hued teal while gryostabilizers should have a holed water cooler barrel and hued red.

More Corp Icons Please
More Medal Icons Please.

I think it would be the neatest thing in the world that when you lock a target the target information is on the locked target and not on the bar on top or maybe duplicated on top but defaulted optional.

I think all manufacutring and blue prints could use a bit of a 'roadmap' click on the road map and it breaks it all down for you on how to make that one speicifc item or that that one item is used in.

For the love of my eyes please make the background of the solar system map a dark blue holosphere I cant read the UI anymore becuase of it being entirely black now and it almost downs out the letters.

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eidenjunior
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-05-18 09:09:57 UTC
Icon for show MOTD, clear chat. make more sub folders on the marked

make it easyer to Jump clone. by making a scipt that leaves ship, pause the skill, jump clone and then restart the training queue.



the new killmails/report looks good.
SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-05-18 11:16:07 UTC
Here is a very important issue with the Buff/debuff bar.

There is no differences between being warp scrambled, and warp disrupted. Sad

If you didn't know, being warp SCRAMBLED shut your MWD off, while being warp disrupted just keeps you from warping.

It's quite important to know if you are being warp scrambled or not, and what's warp scrambling you. So, yeh, please make it noticeable.
Aleena Doran
Squaddies
#11 - 2012-05-18 11:19:45 UTC
Please make the UI more intuitive, fun, and like a computer game instead of microsoft windows in space. Sometimes feels really clunky.

Specific suggestions - can we not have some customisable buttons on the HUD similar to the high/mid/low slot activate/deactivate buttons?

If I'm flying a drone ship I'd like to have a button for commands I frequently use such as 'launch hobgoblins' or 'retrive drones', instead of having to right-click and select a few things.

Similarly if I'm flying a turret ship and I switch ammo frequently I'd like to be able to setup a button for say 'load scorch crystal' instead of having to first switch off my lasers, then unload my lasers, then select the ammo type I now want to use, then load that type.

Smilarly I'd like to be able to customise the HUD to display some info on my ship I frequently refer to, such as optimal range and fall off of my weapons, taking account of ammo selected, ECM, etc. The alternative is a lot of right clicking and bringing up windows.

Best
Nevigrofnu Mrots
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-05-18 12:25:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevigrofnu Mrots
everything needs to change, but my priorities, if you care:

In space:

1 - Local (local needs to be separated from chat, it needs to became a intel window, something in the background like the information we have in the top left with the system, sov, etc )
2 - Overview
3 - Chats
4 - Fleet window

In station:

1 - Industrial window
Strange Shadow
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-05-18 12:50:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Strange Shadow
1. Buttons. More Neocom buttons. For various channels, let them loose from that tied blinking one, and let me organizing them myself into tabs. Make those buttons permanent, so if i accidentally some window, it could be reopened just as single click. Also requesting customizable buttons for new Inventory UI, like cargo, drone bay, specified division of corp hanger etc.

2. More space for said buttons. Why cant i have two neocom bars yet? Wheres top/bottom bar? What about four bars of neocom (left/right/top/bottom) filled with spells... err, buttons? Also, can we have more buttons, customizable one even? Button for drones to attack, button for broadcast something. I know, theres hotkeys, some menus in submenus, but why cant i have a "Launch this group of drones" button on my neocom? Manage my hotkey from it too? That would make it way more user-friendly too.

3. Tactical overview. Face it, most fleet battles done from there. How about showing speed vectors of ships there in some graphic way? Range/speed? Shiptype? (so i dont need to search for any matches in a Overview). Can become messy though, so just make some options for it, would really improve look and feel. Maybe even toggle able with the buttons above?

That would surely add some sci-fi high-tech spice, also usability.
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-05-18 13:09:01 UTC
1. Batch invention

2.Single results window from multible finished invention tasks.

3. Fix neocom
- There is no task bar in bottom of the screen any more. This makes using multible chat windows and information/blinking in their labels much more inconvenient/impossible.
--> People used to like their single chat windows blinking in bottom bar. This gave clear indication when there was new chatter waiting in any of them. You could bring the correct chat up with one click if you wanted to do so and still have choice to ignore the other unimportant blinky ones if preferred to do so.
--> You could see member amounts in minimized windows, for example how many members in local or when new people log into corporation chat.
--> Minimize buttons all together in windows are pretty useless now. Before you could minimize "work in progress" windows to bottom bar, keep track and cycle between them easily. Now they minimize to neocom bar and it is pretty hard/impossible to even start figuring which one is open and what does their label say.
- Blinking doesn't work properly and is really annoying. It activates on event, but no longer blink only couple times and leave icon highlighted. It doesn't re-blink after each new event any more either.
--> the chat button blinks for all the chats and distracts even there wasn't anything important going on in the chats you need to follow in that particular moment. In other words entire button is horrible idea.
--> blinking windows stop blinking when you briefly mouse over them. In other words when you press for example character sheet button at top of the neocom bar and move your mouse to undock button, none of your windows blink any more. Blink should stop after small delay when tool tip appears or when icon is accessed instead (and as I said constant blink is bad thing to start with).
- Date is missing from clock. May sound like minor issue but it is still an issue well known by the developers.
- Char name is missing and making multi client users life little harder if portrait icons look the same.
- Generic "zero use" icons are appearing to bar when doing various tasks or opening windows. They are also missing labels which we had when stuff could be minimized to bottom bar.

4. Add to neocom
- Make it possible to drag and drop folders from unified inventory folders menu to neocom bar as direct short cuts.

5. Fix keyboard shortcuts
- there are 2 completely different ways players use their short cut keys. Others hold them down while clicking some function - others select the function 1st and then press the short cut key. Current all in one solution is worse than the original ever was. In other words new system still causes accidental activations of functions you don't want to activate.
--> add esc menu option to separate these 2 playing styles entirely.

6. Fix overview locking.
- Some people hold some keyboard short cut key down,. expect that overview gets locked then, and click target they want to interact with. Then there are others who want to select targets 1st and and interact with them later. They obviously expect that their overview gets locked when scrolling the overview up and down with keys and might want it to lock also when mousing over it (just like it does now). Then again both player types would most likely want to have/set optional short cut key to manually lock the overview when that key is held down/toggled.
--> Separate these behaviours together with keyboard short cut fix and add options to choose how you want it to work.

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#15 - 2012-05-18 13:21:36 UTC
CCP Punkturis wrote:
I think it needs more pink, can you discuss that with the UI people?


That just reminded me i wanted to add more stuff to the Incarna thread...
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-05-18 13:27:24 UTC
CCP Explorer wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
I think it needs more pink, can you discuss that with the UI people?
The Art Director says "no"...

Perhaps you can add "Punkturis Pink" to the easy theme selection.

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest

Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-05-18 15:25:47 UTC
The wallet orders tab needs to be redone. With 100s of orders, it gets very annoying. It would be nice if there was some way to arrange the individual orders into folders.
Myxx
The Scope
#18 - 2012-05-18 17:00:13 UTC
I rather liked the windows-esque style of the ui proposal a while back. Any chance of making it relatively customisable by players within reason? Example being WoW's ui customisation. Let us design it through xml modification so that we can choose colors we want for it, and where things are and how they look. It would be nice if that were investigated, though I understand why not if that still ends up being undoable.
Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-05-18 17:41:49 UTC
More Scaling options for the U.I.

Drop down list of wallet tabs for buying and placing orders so you don't have to swap wallet divisions every time.

Perhaps look into adding in "Alliance Bookmarks"

Applying to an alliance with a corp should be just as easy as clicking the apply to alliance button in alliance info. (Just like applying to a corp)
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#20 - 2012-05-18 20:02:39 UTC
put more information in the tactical overlay.

Maybe make the four targeting arrows that spin around your target look different, (spin speed, distance) based upon sig radius and transversal.

Get people staring at space more than staring at spreadsheets.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544

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