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ALERT: Inferno will ruin the EVE UI - Go Test
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Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris
#81 - 2012-05-17 05:35:41 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Sure, for now.

How long until it is removed and I am forced to use the tree?
nothing beats a spot of preemptive crying and whining, right?

"But they WILL change it, I KNOW they will, I can FEEL it in my panties."
Grohl Dovah
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#82 - 2012-05-17 20:15:07 UTC
So many people whining about the UI change. So instead of clicking on icons and buttons they put it into one window and use a tree to organize it. It is much easier to nav.

Why are people acting like this is some game changing event when it isn't.

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#83 - 2012-05-17 20:33:40 UTC
Actually tested and, despite a better looking it's not that intuitive, at least for a fist try. Of course this change, if it's implemented as will need a few days to get used to.

Now we can critic all day long or we have the ability to adapt to something designed to make our game experience better. This is where I have some doubts, the ability to make our game experience easier but as I said, just tested it on SISI "as" and flash way so I'll wait for release and learn to use it.

Behind the easier/harder aspect thing a lot of effort is put to bring this new feature and revamp this old system. So I'm all for it hoping constructive critics will help to make it as intuitive as we would all like it to be.

Go test on SISI and post your feedback, this is how they can make it better for everyone.

brb
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-05-17 20:48:26 UTC
I like how the "against" crowd points out specific arguments, problems, functionalities removed from the current UI, even acknowledges strengths of the new one and offers suggestions. And the only thing the "for" crowd has to say is "it's change, change is always good, if you don't like change you are wrong, no matter which direction the change is going in".

(I am with the first. I already posted my thoughts here.)
Grohl Dovah
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-05-17 20:50:28 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
just tested it on SISI.


I wish people would learn the difference between a launcher and a test server, especially a launcher that is outdated.

/facepalm
Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#86 - 2012-05-18 02:04:14 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
I like how the "against" crowd points out specific arguments, problems, functionalities removed from the current UI, even acknowledges strengths of the new one and offers suggestions. And the only thing the "for" crowd has to say is "it's change, change is always good, if you don't like change you are wrong, no matter which direction the change is going in".

(I am with the first. I already posted my thoughts here.)


ikr?
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#87 - 2012-05-18 02:07:30 UTC
Grohl Dovah wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
just tested it on SISI.


I wish people would learn the difference between a launcher and a test server, especially a launcher that is outdated.

/facepalm


Yep it's not like the thread was about assets list and stuff. Of course ...

brb
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#88 - 2012-05-18 04:57:22 UTC
Grohl Dovah wrote:
So many people whining about the UI change. So instead of clicking on icons and buttons they put it into one window and use a tree to organize it. It is much easier to nav.
…not to mention a whole lot less efficient and customisable.

Quote:
Why are people acting like this is some game changing event when it isn't.
Most likely because in its current state, it will change how the game is played (and not in a good way).
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#89 - 2012-05-18 05:18:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Xercodo
Malice Redeemer wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
I like how the "against" crowd points out specific arguments, problems, functionalities removed from the current UI, even acknowledges strengths of the new one and offers suggestions. And the only thing the "for" crowd has to say is "it's change, change is always good, if you don't like change you are wrong, no matter which direction the change is going in".

(I am with the first. I already posted my thoughts here.)


ikr?


I'd like to raise my hand as one in the "for" crowd that has half a mind enough to understand where the "against" crowd are coming from and Tippia's video in the feedback thread demonstrated the negatives of the new systems rather beautifully.

I love the new system but agree that I can use some key improvements to make it worlds better. Just the system remembering where it was and maintaining itself when session changing would be a huge thing to making it more accepted I'd think.

The Drake is a Lie
Beledia Ilphukiir
Proffessional Experts Group
#90 - 2012-05-18 05:22:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Beledia Ilphukiir
Grohl Dovah wrote:
So many people whining about the UI change. So instead of clicking on icons and buttons they put it into one window and use a tree to organize it. It is much easier to nav.

Why are people acting like this is some game changing event when it isn't.



I've played games for a few decades and the one UI rule that I've noticed to be true is, that there is no single better way of doing things. A good UI is all about allowing the individual players to customize it to fit their own usage preferences. Every time you think you've found a new correct way to do it or the right amount of windows to use, that is better for everyone, you're wrong. There aren't any exceptions to this.

The reason people are complaining about this so much is, that CCP is, based on current SiSi version, removing certain common ways of using the UI and only offering very inconvenient and inefficient replacements for them. This isn't some side profession you can ignore if you don't like it. It's something everyone will have to use everytime they play on a constant basis no matter what. It's the one area of the game, where releasing a half assed and buggy implementation should never even be considered. It changes the game flow from smooth to tedious and is currently lacking features and has bugs, that force some players to constantly manage the UI, if they want ot get it to work like they want it. When your normal gaming experience turns to that, it's really easy to find reasons to play something else instead of logging on to EVE.
Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#91 - 2012-05-20 01:55:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Malice Redeemer
Xercodo wrote:
Malice Redeemer wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
I like how the "against" crowd points out specific arguments, problems, functionalities removed from the current UI, even acknowledges strengths of the new one and offers suggestions. And the only thing the "for" crowd has to say is "it's change, change is always good, if you don't like change you are wrong, no matter which direction the change is going in".

(I am with the first. I already posted my thoughts here.)


ikr?


I'd like to raise my hand as one in the "for" crowd that has half a mind enough to understand where the "against" crowd are coming from and Tippia's video in the feedback thread demonstrated the negatives of the new systems rather beautifully.

I love the new system but agree that I can use some key improvements to make it worlds better. Just the system remembering where it was and maintaining itself when session changing would be a huge thing to making it more accepted I'd think.


I'm all for new things, like the filter, but until they fix everything they broke adding it, I'm done paying for this game, This is more disruptive then taking away the hanger view / ship dragging / 2x click to open cargo. I was gone with my accounts till they fixed that
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-05-20 02:01:37 UTC
Malice Redeemer wrote:


I'm all for new things, like the filter, but until they fix everything they broke adding it, I'm done paying for this game, This is more disruptive then taking away the hanger view / ship dragging / 2x click to open cargo. I was gone with my accounts till they fixed that


Yup. On top of all the hate now for High Sec, this is definitely one of the Proverbial Straws for unsubbing for me. I was whining and whining (justly whining) from day 1 about this thing.

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900