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My question is how you increase the explosion radius of a missile when its fired. You have to physically tamper with the missile to do it.

Or just smartbomb it.

Any Counter to TDs affecting Missiles? Some sort of Missile TC/TE? Does GMP Affect Unguided Missiles? Do Rigors affect Unguided Missiles? No? Then why in the Holy Hell do TDs affect it! TDs on turrets can be countered by TCs - Tracking Speed is easily increased via mods, rigs, skills and implants. I count 4 ways there to counter the effect of TDs. Now these new TDs on guided missiles, how many ways are there to counter them? Only Rigs, Skills and Implants. Now what about Unguided Missiles?... I got nothing. No Skill, Module, Implant or Rig reduces the Explosion Radius of Unguided Missiles. Am I the only one pissed off by this? Not as if Missilles dont already have Counters... cause defenders (that can now destroy torps, too!), smartbombs and bombs definitely dont blow up missiles...

I guess where to begin.

A well bonused TD vs a turreted ship has a scripted +bonused effectiveness of around 70% reduction in range or tracking speed. This is actually quite massive. Also the way tracking and EWAR is done, is you take the final number of the ship being effected and then you apply the projected multiplier(s) to it. Meaning if your sniper apocalypse has an optimal range of 170 (Nobody has used these in years) with 2 Link bonused TDs applied to it, it will have an optimal range of about 20km.

Sorry, but no amount of stacking penalized tracking computers will ever counter this. The fleet apoc has been effectively removed from the fight.

Now, in comparison the 20% reduction in explosion radius falls into a completely different arena of effects. A single bonused target painter greatly exceeds the effect of a tracking disruptor on missiles. On top of that, the target painter effects the damage of every ship firing on its target, while the TD only effects the damage of a single ship firing at you. On top of that, if the vessel using TDs has a MWD active, there is virtually no amount of TDs that it can shoot at the missile boat that will counteract the effect of its own MWD being active.

So... yeah. You MIGHT see some usage in gangs that do sig tanking armor ships, and they might be used against missile boats should there be no other turreted ships on the field remaining, but their usefullness will likely be limited.

You mention unguided missiles. I agree HAMs and Torpedos are terrible. They've never been a reasonable alternative to blasters or autocannons. Thats a separate issue in and of itself. They're very hampered by range, the penalties on T2 ammo make them unusable in most circumstances.

As far as defender missiles. In 8 years I have never seen a single pilot ever field defenders aside from myself in my first week playing where I had the "Brilliance" to think a Lazer, Railgun, Rocket, Dual civilian shield booster, armor repping merlin was a "Good" ship to fly. ( I will be getting on a killmail with this ship someday. EC-P8R I'm looking at you). The reason for this is simple. They're terrible, and you give up a large portion of your outgoing DPS to "MAYBE" counter 1-2 missiles every several seconds and reduce incoming DPS by a low single didget %. Also unlike outgoing DPS which scales with the size of the missile being fired, defenders get worse when you put them on "Better" launchers.

Also did you know they take 2 defenders to kill a torpedo?

A Valid point - I was more... well... frothing at the mouth, if you will, because of the explosion velocity changes...
To Translate my previous quote: Motion Prediction, implants, and tracking Rigs affect tracking of both Long Range and short range Turrets, yet GMP, Rigs, and Implants only affect long range missiles. On a side note: Gunnery Implants affect both long and short range weapons in any given size and type of weapons (Small Hybrids, for example) while missile implants only affect one, likewise with skills, but thats another discusion best left alone.


Was refering to something i saw in another thread, theres going to be 2 type of defender missiles, light and heavy, and heavy basically just do twice the damage of current ones (lights), will try to find a link.

EDIT: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1237542#post1237542
and https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1248390#post1248390

How could CCP fail so badly!

My suggestion to CCP would be to have tracking disruptors affect two aspects of missiles.

1. Hit rate, with current game mechanics, missile users have no tracking, if you are in range the missiles will hit their target without mercy. Why not have tracking disruption decrease the hit rate of missiles, similar to how disruptors affect the tracking speed of turrets, which causes them to miss their target. I understand that there is no hit rate mechanic in game for missiles but it can’t be that difficult to add. Maybe a skill or two to help decrease the effects of disruption. Also this would provide great visuals with missile flying past a target instead of hitting him, especially with CCP revamp to missile visual effects :)

2. Range of missiles, ranges of missiles is determined by "Flight Time" and "Velocity" of charges, I think it would be the most realistic if tracking disruptors affected these attributes. This would decrease ranges similar to how they affect turret optimal and fall-off.

Just my two cents :)

Vic20

They need to increase torp range, buff cruise missiles (they're still not used as is, why would anyone use them if they can be TDed?) and allow all skills to affect unguided missiles. They also need to add modules that increase missile range/explosion velocity and reduce explosion radius to compensate. Otherwise this change is pretty **** for missile users. There is no "skill" involved in avoid missile damage as is. So long as you're moving (it doesn't matter what direction) and have your pocket loki booster most missiles do negligible damage as it is. Missile users can't pull range to get better tracking like turret boats, they can't fit modules to increase their explosion velocity or reduce explosion radius like a turret user can increase their damage application by fitting a TC/TE. This is ******** if it goes live without giving missile users other options.

there is defender missiles to take out missiles, also there is smartbombs that take out missiles,
here is 2counters for missiles, and we have about 1for guns... from this someone got a good idea to troll missiles and put a third counter?

or il give you that missiles have fof versions that does help against ecm, so were at 2-2, and that why missiles should get a third?
please correct me if im wrong, also you can mwd straight towards a missile boat, but try do that to a bs with large guns on.

Some of us use missiles other than heavies and boats other than the drake. I don't know about the rest of the community but i've always wanted a viable battleship sized missile boat for pvp (I still love my rokh, but variety is the spice of life). Some of us are bored of drakes, because no one wants to fight one without being able to blob or permajam it.

TL;DR: Your Post Is Terrible, and you should feel bad. Try flying a missile ship that isnt a Drake (Or Stealth Bomber).
P.S. Please think more before posting next time. Just because the only time you ever use torps is on bombers, doesnt mean Ravens Dont Exist. Also, just because you dont use Cruise Missiles, donesnt mean nobody else does.
P.P.S. Show me on the Autocannon model where the bad Tengu touched you.

the whole point is ccp should seriosly consider balancing missiles if the tracking disruptor will be for use ingame against missiles.my suggestion : remove penalties from precision missiles,increase range and damage.and this is only one of the problems compared to gun turret system.