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Nasty bug made us lose an Orca
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-05-17 16:45:31 UTC
Morganta wrote:
welp... here goes

when you podded the guy you screwed yourself

you can't kick someone unless they are docked in station
however due to the mechanics of eve a player out of pod is not considered docked even when in station
the player must be in a pod at a minimum, in order to be docked

no bug, working as designed

So...basicly when you respawn in station you are not actually in a pod...because of bad coding the character isnt' considered docked unless he actually undocked that new shinny egg and redocked ? Sounds just as bad as...training while not having an active account which is a working feature as documented by CCP who infact avertised it as such amirite? Roll Oh wait...that was changed Straight

Or a player out of pod means he is in CQ? This entire phrase of yours is very vague as what is "out of pod is not considered docked" since when you are in station...you are infact docked as there is no other feature you can turn on like "I am AFK away from the ship right now, please leave a message." I am not a code developer...just sounds like one of those opened phrases by CCP like they don't even have a clue so just leave it vague...kind of like that assumption there would only be a handful of titans and look where that lead to Roll
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#22 - 2012-05-17 16:46:58 UTC
Morganta wrote:
welp... here goes

when you podded the guy you screwed yourself

you can't kick someone unless they are docked in station
however due to the mechanics of eve a player out of pod is not considered docked even when in station
the player must be in a pod at a minimum, in order to be docked

no bug, working as designed


That is very interesting, I did not know that myself. So I guess once they shot his ship up, someone should have just tailed his pod until he docked for a new ship, then relayed to the CEO when he docked to kick him.

So close...
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-05-17 16:53:10 UTC
Incidentally, is there any particular rationale for the "you can't kick someone out of the corp if they're not docked" rule?
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#24 - 2012-05-17 16:57:34 UTC
THIS THREAD IS SO ANDROCIOUS
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#25 - 2012-05-17 16:58:01 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Incidentally, is there any particular rationale for the "you can't kick someone out of the corp if they're not docked" rule?



Well, there might be, but I don't think you'll have to worry about that in your cuddly NPC corp!
Marcus Ichiro
IchiCorp
#26 - 2012-05-17 16:58:12 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Incidentally, is there any particular rationale for the "you can't kick someone out of the corp if they're not docked" rule?


Corp mate in something expensive > fly around with them > kick them from corp > immediately gank them
Mark Androcius
#27 - 2012-05-17 16:59:00 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Incidentally, is there any particular rationale for the "you can't kick someone out of the corp if they're not docked" rule?


I was wondering about that too, that just looks like an extremely exploitable "feature"

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Mark Androcius
#28 - 2012-05-17 17:00:17 UTC
Marcus Ichiro wrote:
Takseen wrote:
Incidentally, is there any particular rationale for the "you can't kick someone out of the corp if they're not docked" rule?


Corp mate in something expensive > fly around with them > kick them from corp > immediately gank them


Good point, so the other way around is better?

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Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#29 - 2012-05-17 17:04:39 UTC
Actually I'm not really sure why the mechanic exists at all, I thought you had to wait 24 hours before the changes took affect anyway?

So close...
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#30 - 2012-05-17 17:10:55 UTC
Plentath wrote:
Morganta wrote:
welp... here goes

when you podded the guy you screwed yourself

you can't kick someone unless they are docked in station
however due to the mechanics of eve a player out of pod is not considered docked even when in station
the player must be in a pod at a minimum, in order to be docked

no bug, working as designed


I can confirm this.

Basically the only error here is player error - that despite knowing their was an AWOXer in corp there was still an orca in space some time afterwards.

There's really no excuse for this. Set the MOTD ... send a corp mail ... yell on vent, whatever.

Your inaction cost the life of an Orca this day.


I've got a feeling this is the way CCP will look at it too, warning them in chat, sending out a corp mail, anything like that to alert corp members that there was an awoxer and to dock up any non combat ships could have been used to avoid this situation. They'll just consider it a matter of negligence on your part that you didn't act to protect corp members.

I know I would.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

brinelan
#31 - 2012-05-17 17:15:17 UTC
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Actually I'm not really sure why the mechanic exists at all, I thought you had to wait 24 hours before the changes took affect anyway?

24 hour wait is when roles have to be removed. If they had no roles then they can be kicked or leave right away.
Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-05-17 17:23:17 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Wistar wrote:
Mark Androcius wrote:


After this, i lost an Orca that was alone in space

Cheers



Not trying to troll you, but this sounds unconnected to the rest of your post, and like you misplaced it. Did the Orca explode, or did you leave it somewhere? What bug is connected to Orcas vanishing? Are you saying the spai did something with it because you couldnt kick him?


Yes, the spy scrammbled it and shot it and CONCORD didn't respond, because he was a corp member, which i couldn't kick before it happened, because of the bug.


Why did you not send a corp mail warning people of the awoxer, type in corp chat, say in teamspeak or otherwise warn your entire corp of the bad apple? Sounds like nothing out of the ordinary happened here. If you did things right the Orca pilot would have been well aware and would not have died.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-05-17 17:40:09 UTC
You were "defending" an Orca because you let a goof into your corp. Vandalism and theft are not spying.
It's okay. We hold your corp blameless for hiring the guy and join you in your wish for CCP to take the blame.
Let's have these game mechanics changed because sociopaths we hire turn their sociopathy on us, rather than
the targets we select!

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
#34 - 2012-05-17 17:52:32 UTC
Calfis wrote:
Mark Androcius wrote:
Wistar wrote:
Mark Androcius wrote:


After this, i lost an Orca that was alone in space

Cheers



Not trying to troll you, but this sounds unconnected to the rest of your post, and like you misplaced it. Did the Orca explode, or did you leave it somewhere? What bug is connected to Orcas vanishing? Are you saying the spai did something with it because you couldnt kick him?


Yes, the spy scrammbled it and shot it and CONCORD didn't respond, because he was a corp member, which i couldn't kick before it happened, because of the bug.


Why did you not send a corp mail warning people of the awoxer, type in corp chat, say in teamspeak or otherwise warn your entire corp of the bad apple? Sounds like nothing out of the ordinary happened here. If you did things right the Orca pilot would have been well aware and would not have died.


If you knew this guy was bad and you had time to track him down and pod him, you should have had time to warn everyone. I find it hard to believe he spawned in a new clone, got in a ship capable of killing an orca, found an orca, and killed an orca before any warning was sent. Even if it was sent, were there no corpies near by to save the orca?

Im curious as to how you found out, and managed to pod him but then completely forget about him afterward?
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-05-17 18:20:18 UTC
Marcus Ichiro wrote:
Takseen wrote:
Incidentally, is there any particular rationale for the "you can't kick someone out of the corp if they're not docked" rule?


Corp mate in something expensive > fly around with them > kick them from corp > immediately gank them


Isn't this backwards? If you want to gank someone without Concord intervention, you should keep them in the corp.
adam smash
Department of Gub'nent Welfare
Harkonnen Federation
#36 - 2012-05-17 18:25:36 UTC
Er well first off... maybe a good plan to tell the corp members HEY GUISE WE HAVE A CORP KILLER STAY DOCKED...

Do you think that if CCP says no you can show them this thread and say wahhhhh everyone said you should?

WTF send in a petition... demand nothing rofl... and see what happens... GL because the guy with the orca needs to send in the one for replacement...

Thread should be

little bug + epic stoopidness made us lose and orca
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#37 - 2012-05-17 18:31:05 UTC
SMASH SMASH
HE'S OUR MAN
IF HE CAN'T DO IT
NO ONE...will.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-05-17 18:35:32 UTC
Still report the bug to CCP. But if you lost the Orca after you noticed the bug do not expect to be reimbursed.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!
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