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Pause Dread; train HIC. Yes or no?
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youthink
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
#1 - 2012-05-14 08:57:41 UTC
Yes, this is a alt-post.

I am preparing to apply for W-Space life and currently I am working on getting my char into the Moros (18D to board, shoot, use local rep and siege; 60D to fly it properly). The question is should I pause for 26D to get into a HIC instead (HIC IV)?

WH FCs, what are your preferences for this?
Thanks in advance.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#2 - 2012-05-14 09:07:55 UTC
If the character in question is your only main char, then yes, you should be able to fly a HIC long before you even think about flying a dreadnought.

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Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#3 - 2012-05-14 09:21:18 UTC
The moros is a very situational ship. The Hic, not so much. Train up for a hic.
youthink
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
#4 - 2012-05-14 09:28:44 UTC
Yes, it is. POS take-down, cap escalation (IF I get into C5/C6)..

Ok, HIC takes priority! Thank you for your replies!

At this point it makes no difference for me which HIC to choose (only Prop Jamming, Grav Physics and HICs to learn), proficient with all weapon systems, shield/armor tanking... Just out of curiosity, what is the preferred hull for each tanking doctrine?

Comy 1
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-05-14 09:37:40 UTC
The HIC will also make your life a lot easier when you want to collapse wormholes. Grinding is not everything, get your PvP skills going.
youthink
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
#6 - 2012-05-14 10:22:21 UTC
The more I read the more I am glad I asked. Skill queue adjusted.
Again, thank you all!
Dievas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-05-14 10:23:23 UTC
Typically most favoured HICs are Devoters for armor and Onyx for Shield due to their excellent resist profiles. You can get a nice fast Broadsword config with high resists but you don't see them very often in w-space. Phobos I'm clueless on.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#8 - 2012-05-14 11:44:52 UTC
Phobos is good for mobile small gangs because it can have good damage so you have a bubble and yet don't 'waste' a player on only that. It's by far the worst HIC for wormhole camping because of its terrible tank.

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Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-05-15 01:13:44 UTC
depends on corp alliance really. we got hic pilots comming out of our asses and we only use 1 or 2 in fleets. you can never have too many dreadnaughts, and theyre great to make massive isk in high class wh

if you join/are in a big corp/alliance, id go for dread. or just ask the ppl you play with
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-05-15 02:52:32 UTC
dread > HIC every time.
any existing WH corp will already have a lot of people that can fly HICs.

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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#11 - 2012-05-15 03:44:37 UTC
Dievas wrote:
You can get a nice fast Broadsword config with high resists but you don't see them very often in w-space.


I've seen them on ganks, but not much beyond that.

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Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-05-15 07:12:32 UTC
I would get HIC first, less for using in PvP, and more for collapsing WH's without risking the ship. Remember that the HIC bubble reduces your ships mass, and you can have multiple bubbles active at once.

Oh, and 100MN AB's add 50mil mass to your HIC... in most cases tripling the mass.

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Ashimat
Clandestine Services
#13 - 2012-05-15 08:41:42 UTC
What do you like to fly?

If dreads are your dream, then go for that. There are plenty WH corps that have good use for them both plexing and for pvp. Everybody and their mothers cat can fly a HIC.

That said, if you spend most of your time in lower class WHs, a HIC is of much more use.

I like pilots that like what they fly and try and get good at that. Not that HICs is the first thing to specialize in maybe :)

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youthink
Shakor Freight and Mining Service
#14 - 2012-05-15 09:57:22 UTC
Ashimat wrote:
What do you like to fly?

If dreads are your dream, then go for that. There are plenty WH corps that have good use for them both plexing and for pvp. Everybody and their mothers cat can fly a HIC.

That said, if you spend most of your time in lower class WHs, a HIC is of much more use.

I like pilots that like what they fly and try and get good at that. Not that HICs is the first thing to specialize in maybe :)

I enjoy flying battleships and T3. All of them.
But I have reached a point, a crossroad if you wish, where I need to decide where to go next. And since I have set my mind on moving (back to) to a WH, I might as well go for something that will benefit my future corp the most. I have experience with dictors, but never flown a HIC. I have never flown a cap (apart from Orca/Rorq) and I am intrigued by the concept.

So there you have it Smile
Julia Allrian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-05-15 10:51:04 UTC
Well, remember that you really want T2 bubbles. (which adds another 30d)

Why should an FC take a T1 bubble HIC pilot when he can take T2s. There are lots of it.
Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-05-15 10:58:16 UTC
Hathrul wrote:
if you join/are in a big corp/alliance, id go for dread. or just ask the ppl you play with
Jack Miton wrote:
dread > HIC every time.
This is why we can't have nice things. P
This is also why high class wormhole pew is diminishing Ugh

Larger entities end up in stalemates. (dreads / caps + support on each side, no pew)
Smaller entities hide or force collapse due to the silly amount of caps the other side want to field.
What we're left with is ganks and baits followed by.. ganks.
Only decent fights I've had recently have been counter-ganks, down-shipping, and some stuff out of WH space. 
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Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-05-15 11:08:29 UTC
Mr Bigwinky wrote:
Hathrul wrote:
if you join/are in a big corp/alliance, id go for dread. or just ask the ppl you play with
Jack Miton wrote:
dread > HIC every time.
This is why we can't have nice things. P
This is also why high class wormhole pew is diminishing Ugh

Larger entities end up in stalemates. (dreads / caps + support on each side, no pew)
Smaller entities hide or force collapse due to the silly amount of caps the other side want to field.
What we're left with is ganks and baits followed by.. ganks.
Only decent fights I've had recently have been counter-ganks, down-shipping, and some stuff out of WH space.


i dont really see how one thing is related to the other. in fleets you just never use more then 1 or 2 HIC's, and with the much lower pre-req's many more people can fly them. in high class you also dont use them for collapsing, or rarely do. i dont think we ever had trouble fielding HIC's. dreads can be short at certain times though. the isk and time investment are just much higher
Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-05-15 11:13:57 UTC
Comment was more aimed at the fact having caps is a requirement for WH space, than anything to do with HICs.
There are far more corps who can't field HICs, than ones who can / do field dreads.
It would be wrong to assume that if you fall into the latter category, all others are the same, or want to be the same.
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Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-05-17 12:42:18 UTC
id say HIC, dreads so very situational and you rarely bring them outside of your home wormhole because the logistics of moving them through WH's is prohibiting.

HIC's are almost always useful. Due to mass limits the dreads will be reserved for those with the very best skills to fly them, that likely wont be you if your just training them. Dreads have ridiculous income/hour potential though so thats enough to motivate most people to train them early in wormholes.
Marsan
#20 - 2012-05-17 18:47:07 UTC
Honestly I'd go

Tech3 cruiser -> Salvager -> HIC -> logi -> Carrier -> Dread

Dreads are only used in C5-6 with webber support and the occassion POS siege of C5-6s. Unless you expect to apply to a corp with a C5-6 which actively uses Dreads to run their sites. Tech3 cruisers are the min requirement for a lot of corps to run sites. Having salvage 5 and being able to fly a noctis is also a huge plus. (Not because most of the corp can't salvage, but it often frees up a pilot for more dps, and it's nice to have an FNG to do the boring work.) WH corps like HIC pilots not because no one can fly a HIC, but as most people don't fly them. FC are constantly having to hold up the entire fleet while they find someone with both the skills and a properly fit HIC.

PS- A properly fit fleet HIC has a cloak, 2 bubbles, 2 focus scripts, is cap stable while running a bubble and focused warp disruption, and has as much tank as possible.

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