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Looks like we're winning the war: Highsec mining drops by HALF!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#201 - 2012-05-14 23:47:59 UTC
TravisWB wrote:
Lots of miners equals low ore prices and therefore by extension low Tech 1 ship prices. This is the noob friendly game that was EVE 4 years ago.

Full scale all out Goon war on Hisec eliminates miners, causing ore prices to skyrocket, causing Tech 1 ship prices to skyrocket.

This is the current anti-noob version of EVE.
…except that the “current anti-noob version” has pretty much the same ship prices as the supposedly “noob friendly” EVE of four years ago.
TravisWB
#202 - 2012-05-14 23:55:49 UTC
Tippia wrote:
TravisWB wrote:
Lots of miners equals low ore prices and therefore by extension low Tech 1 ship prices. This is the noob friendly game that was EVE 4 years ago.

Full scale all out Goon war on Hisec eliminates miners, causing ore prices to skyrocket, causing Tech 1 ship prices to skyrocket.

This is the current anti-noob version of EVE.
…except that the “current anti-noob version” has pretty much the same ship prices as the supposedly “noob friendly” EVE of four years ago.



You my dear, are simply blind. Do you even know how to use the price history tab in the market place?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#203 - 2012-05-15 00:01:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
TravisWB wrote:
You my dear, are simply blind. Do you even know how to use the price history tab in the market place?
You mean that thing that only stretches a year back and which in no way contradicts what I said?

Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change.
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#204 - 2012-05-15 00:05:06 UTC
TravisWB wrote:
Lots of miners equals low ore prices and therefore by extension low Tech 1 ship prices. This is the noob friendly game that was EVE 4 years ago.

Full scale all out Goon war on Hisec eliminates miners, causing ore prices to skyrocket, causing Tech 1 ship prices to skyrocket.

This is the current anti-noob version of EVE.

GOONSVERSE.

What you are actually witnessing is the Goons intentionally and actualy destroying EVE.

Why CCP does not see the obvious malicious intent here is simply stupifying.


Suggestion - go into kitchen, grab some tin foil, fold into hat, put on head.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#205 - 2012-05-15 00:18:52 UTC
Ammatar IV wrote:
So please, before you decide to gift us with your almighty insight do remember, you probably don't know **** about it. Peace.


Confirming I have no nullsec experience. Oh wait - I do. Seriously I thought I was helping you but hey whatever, stay in high sec then if it's so hard to find a decent nullsec alliance.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#206 - 2012-05-16 14:41:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:

Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change.


Plus, it's a whole lot easier for that new player to make 50M ISK to buy the hull then it was 4 years ago. Especially if they take advantage of newer features like Planetary Interaction, or take advantage of the rise in mineral costs. All that extra ISK floating around in older player's wallets mean that they are willing to pay more for others to do the 'scut' work of EVE.

Sure, the fixed income stuff like mission running isn't as good as it used to be, but as with every 'mature' MMO market, there's always ISK to be made in the resource gathering fields (mining, PI, exploration). Get your ISK from other players, not the NPCs.
Jessica Sweetwater
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#207 - 2012-05-16 15:03:14 UTC
And what james?

All you've done si drive the prices of everything sky high

Keep it up because soon even you wont be able to fit a bc out t2 without spending 100mil+

Then ull be here bitching about prices

Your idiots, plain and simple

Empire is where you buy your stuff, all uve done, is broken the market and your to stupid to see the consequences
TravisWB
#208 - 2012-05-16 23:37:45 UTC
Tippia wrote:
TravisWB wrote:
You my dear, are simply blind. Do you even know how to use the price history tab in the market place?
You mean that thing that only stretches a year back and which in no way contradicts what I said?

Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change.


I do not believe that.

I know for a fact that mineral prices 4 years ago were far below what they are now. In some cases such as NOX by a factor of 10X LESS. By extension, things made out of minerals cost far less as well.
Unit757
North Point
#209 - 2012-05-16 23:47:29 UTC
Tippia wrote:
TravisWB wrote:
You my dear, are simply blind. Do you even know how to use the price history tab in the market place?
You mean that thing that only stretches a year back and which in no way contradicts what I said?

Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change.


I've only been playing for about 3 years, but 50 mil for a drake? You can't expect that to be believable, when since I started up until about 4-6 months ago, you could buy an Armageddon for +/- 40 mil? You may want to check your suppliers if you've been paying 50 mil for drakes for the last 4 years What? Yes they are 50 mil now, but 4 years ago? dunno, didn't play then, but 3 years ago, try 25 mil.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#210 - 2012-05-17 00:21:01 UTC
I think you might have bit off more than you can chew there, Tippia.

I have Bestowers from a few years ago I wasn't looking at jumps when I bought was too lazy to go get them. I paid just under 500K for them. They now go for 1.1 mill.

I just sold 10 Geddons I paid under 50 mill for, I sold for 90 mill in low sec. My Provi, I paid 600 for, sold for 1.33 billion ISK. The list goes on and on. Hull prices are through the roof.

We have had hulkageddons before, though this time I think more people got fed up and just stopped logging in. That said, back to the OP. You won, gratz. Now what?

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#211 - 2012-05-17 00:43:05 UTC
Tippia wrote:
TravisWB wrote:
You my dear, are simply blind. Do you even know how to use the price history tab in the market place?
You mean that thing that only stretches a year back and which in no way contradicts what I said?

Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change.


I think you got severely scammed.

Drake prices were generally flat for a long time except March 2010 (29M) and then started the up trend on Dec 2010 when they hit 29.884M and kept slowly rising since then.

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#212 - 2012-05-17 01:45:37 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change.

I was interested in this so I downloaded the EVE-Central data dump for May 16, 2008 and checked the typeid 24698 (Drake typeid from current EVE-Central search, no reason to think it's changed).

I found 237 orders with a minimum of 0.01 ISK (I can't tell what's a buy or sell order in the dump) and a maximum of 45,750,000mil. Average is 31.9mil.

So then, still kind of bored, I retrieved the data dump for May 16, 2007, again checked with a typeid 24698, and found 103 orders with a min of 28,000 ISK and a max of 48mil. Average is 30.8mil.

Now, I'm a masochist, so I downloaded the data dump for May 16, 2006 and ran the same checks but the Drake apparently didn't exist then. Cry

So, just to stress, it's a one-day sample from a source that probably doesn't have all the data.

Also, I like the new prices regardless, so all y'all haters can suck it.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#213 - 2012-05-17 01:52:57 UTC
TravisWB wrote:
Tippia wrote:
TravisWB wrote:
You my dear, are simply blind. Do you even know how to use the price history tab in the market place?
You mean that thing that only stretches a year back and which in no way contradicts what I said?

Four years ago, I bought my first Drake for the newbie-friendly price of 50M ISK + change. Guess what they cost now? A very anti-noob 50M ISK + change.


I do not believe that.

I know for a fact that mineral prices 4 years ago were far below what they are now. In some cases such as NOX by a factor of 10X LESS. By extension, things made out of minerals cost far less as well.




I was in that era. Yes, drakes were about 40-50m back then (*plus change as Tippia says*)

Everything was more expensive, and we had less money making power! I was a noob then so I know!

EVE has been getting more and more noob friendly every expansion, not less friendly.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#214 - 2012-05-17 02:05:17 UTC
Eaorgan Dax wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Two weeks ago, I wrote a Manifesto II in which I called upon the people of EVE to put a stop to all mining in highsec. Most people probably thought it was crazy to even consider such a thing possible. Not anymore. We're already more than halfway there!

Granted, some miners will return to the belts once Hulkageddon ends. But many will not. 1 Having been forced to adapt and try out other professions, and having found them more rewarding, they will leave mining for good. 2 As the miners' numbers diminish, so does their power and influence over CCP.


You truly are an idiot aren't you?, you have no clue what you are talking about.

Point 1, If mining in high drops further, the price of minerals will go up and the players will start mining again because it's profitable again, all hulkageddon does is restart that cycle over and over and over again.

Point 2. Miners have influence over CCP? So, you wanna tell me that's why warp core stabilizers are such pieces of crap and are hopelessly impractical on a mining barge ( it decreases range DRAMATICALLY and you need at least 2 of the freaking things ), so that nobody will ever use them for this, which in fact makes them sitting ducks when something costing 1 10th of the price of a barge, locks, scramble's and shoots them.

Time to take off your tinfoil hat mister, if anything, CCP is providing aggressors with more and better tools then it does the industrialists.


Also CCP is FINALLY locking those manifesto threads as the rants they are

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#215 - 2012-05-17 02:09:32 UTC
Minerals definitely did go up in price, but as a high-sec/wormhole pvper (read: non-blob), I find that an extremely good thing.

Ptraci wrote:
Ammatar IV wrote:
So please, before you decide to gift us with your almighty insight do remember, you probably don't know **** about it. Peace.


Confirming I have no nullsec experience. Oh wait - I do. Seriously I thought I was helping you but hey whatever, stay in high sec then if it's so hard to find a decent nullsec alliance.

Null-sec is a multifaceted environment that encompasses many more features and variables than your run-of-the-mill carebear alliance experience covers. You are not the ultimate authority on all things 0.0.

And it is difficult to find good null-sec groups, if you are not the type of person who enjoys being told what to do, and following authority without question. A lot seem to be led by the type of people who think that three years of being a sergeant in the military magically qualifies them to lead hundreds of people in an environment that is more reliant on knowledge of memes than real-life military protocols.

Have things changed since wormholes came out? I don't know, since I haven't checked. I'm sure you'll provide some valuable insight on the matter. For now, I'll drive up mineral prices some more.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#216 - 2012-05-17 04:24:01 UTC
Ares Renton
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#217 - 2012-05-17 04:37:45 UTC
This is the consequence of gladhanding away massive amounts of isk to one playerbase and not another. The goons control the economy and they can use that money to control it even more.

And is CCP going to fix it? No, they're just going to make nullsec even wealthier in the future.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#218 - 2012-05-17 05:39:51 UTC
Ares Renton wrote:
This is the consequence of gladhanding away massive amounts of isk to one playerbase and not another. The goons control the economy and they can use that money to control it even more.

And is CCP going to fix it? No, they're just going to make nullsec even wealthier in the future.


So say we all!

Things are only impossible until they are not.
knulla
Doomheim
#219 - 2012-05-17 06:43:24 UTC
it is way easy to suicide gank, when you can use even a coercer with few SP and alpha a hulk you know something is wrong lol sure they don't fit them great but... that is just crazy.

still I support this, it might force CCP to make mining fun and worthwhile to get miners to mine again after this entertaining abuse, because the ISK is crap as is the "experience".

 [u]Malice Redeemer[/u] - "Post if you are unsubing over the new inventory"  Posted: 2012.05.23 01:39

    lol
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#220 - 2012-05-17 07:15:36 UTC
knulla wrote:
it is way easy to suicide gank, when you can use even a coercer with few SP and alpha a hulk you know something is wrong lol sure they don't fit them great but... that is just crazy.



You'd need quite a few coercers to pull that off.