Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The basic idea EVE has always had ( or at least tried to have ), was that the more risk you take, the better the reward.

This mechanic though, is heavily broken ( in my view at least ) i mean, a miner in high sec space, doesn't make much less isk then a miner in low or null ( there is a difference, but not all that much really ).

Now, what i propose is the following:

Reduce the amount of DPS per level of sec space, when targeting another player ( unless they are at war ).
This would make Destroyers ganking Hulks almost impossible ( unless you have more then 1 ganker of course ).

Of course, this would make high sec space a haven for miners and we don't want that either.
So to combat this, i also propose to reduce mining yield, based on system security.
This would make sure that mining in a Hulk in 1.0 sec, would be hella dumb, but also very safe.

Here are some numbers that might work:

1.0 sec space - DPS is 40% vs another player, only 20% normal mining Yield.
0.9 sec space - DPS is 50% vs another player, only 30% normal mining Yield.
0.8 sec space - DPS is 50% vs another player, only 40% normal mining Yield.
0.7 sec space - DPS is 60% vs another player, only 50% normal mining Yield.
0.6 sec space - DPS is 60% vs another player, only 60% normal mining Yield.
0.5 sec space - DPS is 70% vs another player, only 70% normal mining Yield.
Low sec space - DPS is 80% vs another player, only 90% normal mining Yield.
Null sec space - DPS is 100% vs another player, mining yield is 100%.

Of course, these numbers are debatable.

For f sake.... you're not even trying to understand what i am saying.
A destroyer will kill a "normal" Hulk in high sec, before Concord arrives, with this system it won't, it would need friends to help him in order to do that.

I see, you don't like "fair" much, ok, i can get that, seeing it in your perspective.

a 1.5 million fully fitted Destroyer ganking a 200 million isk Hulk is not fair, no matter how you put it.
Being able to make millions of isk, in a system where you can't get ganked is also not fair.

This fixes both, you want to be reasonable safe, stay in a space where you make way to little isk, you want to make more isk, you go to a system where you CAN get ganked pretty easily.

Basically you say that military ship designed for destroying other military ships equal or lower in terms of ship class shouldn't be able to f*ck up mining machinery platform because some miraculously working force will make Eve's space water more dense hence lowering bullets' dmg? Oh I know, maybe Concord just spill more salt in those waters or sth? Nah, that would affect also ships mobility.

No its not fair but life frequently isn't. The answer is not messing with the physics of space its buffing the hulk to give it a reasonable chance of survival. If they don't want to do that then the answer is not to use one outside of null-sec where they are of course reasonably safe from being ganked due to the bettter intelligence on possible threats. Net effect, a buff to nullsec and botting which seems to be the way everything is geared to go anyway. I don't like it anymore than you but hey, I still haven't found a game I like better.

Greetings

Once again its not about making the game better. It's all about how do I prevent others from playing in the sand the way they want to, so I can play the way I want to.

Also to correct a fallacy. I have heard the argument that a destroyer should not be able to kill a Hulk, as it relates to price. This is an invalid argument, as it happens all the time in warfare. Example: the airplane and the Exocet missile are vastly less expensive than the ship and crew they are designed to sink. Also they do it from range and in most cases without warning. (sound familiar?)

All I ask is that CCP stop allowing the same old re-rapped argument for changing a legitimate game mechanic into every single freaking forum. I swear this horse has been dead for a long time.

Now a game mechanic that I would not mind seeing is the ability to target ships with mining lasers with some form of thermal damage (not a crap tonne as hull plating already is a type of heat sink, but enough to shoo a pesky ship off) See I am not a total a-hole. I provide a logical solution to a mechanic that makes sense, not magic-ing DPS away.

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I guess in the grand scheme of things if CCP want to discourage some activities in hisec, slashing income will help.

The suggestion to affect DPS and other attributes already exists in wormholes, I can't see a reason why that couldn't be rolled out to hisec in some fashion. <--- just saying, not actually supporting the idea.

OK the thread is off to a good start, maybe we are going to talk about putting more unique resources in lowsec or w-space. So that the market value is wholly dependent on how risky it is to mine out in that space. Or he could start going on about a wholesale nerf of highsec space.


Or he could propose something completely counter intuitive that does the opposite of what we were just talking about, like making miners invincible in highsec, or something else silly.


But don't worry guys his bizarre idea that could break the game is counter balanced by another bizarre idea that could break the game.

I had to crush this one, regardless of whether I agreed overall.

For reference, lets say they used a good plane, like an F-22. According to the defense department for one year, they spent 64.5 billion, to purchase 184 of these. Average unit cost: 350 million.
Exocet missiles, the air to ship type: anywhere from 500 thousand to over a million each, depending on who you ask.

Supertanker: top of the line, biggest thing that carries oil: top price is estimated at 120 million.

Just for reference detail: Aircraft carrier, Nimitz class 4.5 billion. (Most recent launched George H.W. Bush in 2006, commissioned in 2009)


Having mining ships able to fight back like that does make sense.

Fitting a realistic tank makes even more sense, but is impaired by lousy CPU and Powergrid. Seriously, at what point does industrial use equate to low power capacity?

Also, a hulk can EASILY be tanked to survive a single destroyer attack. It can be tanked enough to survive 3x destroyers, or even a tier 3 BC attacking it.... The trick is, you have to actually fit a tank on it....

Read this on How to Tank a Hulk

A hulk with mining lasers, cargo expanders, and no tank is cannon fodder, especially when you put it into 0.5 space. Why is it unfair for a dessie to come along and destroy such a lol-fit hulk?