Player Features and Ideas Discussion

To be honest I think adding too much to WiS would just bloat the client. Having a fully fledged and playable game within a game seems unlikely, and would likely just be a waste of Dev time to implement and maintain.

They should just focus on getting over the current performance issues with having multiple characters on screen at once, then introduce gambling dens and social "hubs". The gambling would likely draw in people in the trade hubs, and I'm sure social hubs might even be of some interest if they were kept bot-free.

Beyond that though, I really cannot see much of interest for WiS. Gambling is the only "mini-game" that I imagine would find much use.

Well, yeah ... but being able to kill your "safe" medclone (or HG Slave clone) ...

If you want high sec to be the place where you learn the game, well, you generally learn something when you get ganked. You learn something when you get podded, too.

Besides, there is at least one epic example of a guy getting tricked into killing a whole bunch of pods. The reason that the sort of game-rule solution you're advocating doesn't really work is that griefing uses psychological tactics. If there are lots and lots of tears to be had by getting someone to shoot a pod (as you propose), it will simply be a matter of time before someone is tricked into losing everything.

because people who get podded in highsec sometimes post threads like this, and they are hilarious.

If I was in a cheap ship, and I was bored enough, I'd probably shoot it for kicks. it's funny.

Need sellable killrights! Work like collateral, also need killrights to be able to vs pods. Person accepts puts up a collateral, gets paid when the deed is done. Or bounties paid out in relation to damage done. But contract kill rights. Yes.

Hmmmph... missed this one.
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And? So was I at some point. In fact, even after 3 years there are aspects of the game I'm still very much a "noob" at.


... because it can be done? Honestly... people don't really need a reason beyond that. Sure, some will try to make a rational argument and defend the action... but the simple fact of the matter is that if it can be done, it will be done. Consequences be damned. And to be perfectly honest... this is one of the things that makes EVE fun. *cackles* *lightning strikes off on the distance*


To what end? I'd be more concerned about the DEVs' psychology and why they thought it'd be a good idea to create a game based on the worst aspects of humanity.



2a) Low and Null-sec are areas of the game where resources are supposed to be rich... and risk to oneself relatively high. High-sec is supposed to be the opposite of this; low resources with relative safety (the key word in all this is "relative").

3a) PvP is the catalyst of the economy. Miners mine ore... industrialists process and make stuff from the ore... haulers and logistics chains move said stuff around the game... traders take said stuff and sell it... PvPers buy said stuff and/or are equipped with it... PvPers use said stuff to kill other PvPers and/or destroy/disrupt the competition of those who supplied them.

Conflict and competition are the "nature" of EVE. Naturally, some people don't like competition and so they try to hide away from the majority of it... meanwhile some people will take it to it's extreme. And there is no separation preventing one from coming into conflict with the other. This is another thing that makes EVE "interesting" and "fun" in my opinion.


What you contacted were GMs, not DEVs. GMs just enforce current policy and/or mechanics, not alter them (that's why you were directed over here... to propose a change to the mechanics and argue why they are needed/wanted).

DEVs are people who make and alter the game and they do not really respond (at least, not in a serious fashion) to players outside of certain official threads. And even then it's rare that they will take a fully concrete position or make a very specific comment about a ship/mod/mechanic as whatever they say tends to get twisted and skewed in ways they never intended.

Most of what we do know largely comes from conjecture, circumstantial evidence, and the very, very, VERY rare concrete DEV comment.

So far, what we know is:
- suicide ganking was not an "intended" mechanic... it was emergent tactic that evolved out CONCORD being buffed and buffed again to what it is now. The DEVs felt this was okay and haven't made any serious moves against it in about 3 or 4 years (outside of the "insurance nerf" last winter).
- the DEVs are VERY interested in keeping the in-game economy working smoothly... so much so that they have a bona fide economist keeping tabs on everything.
-- the in-game economy is dependent on stuff getting blown up to remain "healthy." Resources are pretty much infinite (as asteroids respawn and NPC rats give bounties and free mods (that can be 'melted' into more minerals)) and the only surefire way to remove said resources from the economy is to have them destroyed in some fashion.
- the general principle of EVE is that it is "player run." Things that players do that don't break the Terms of Service or EULA are completely allowable without DEV or GM intervention (as stated many times by both DEVs and GMs). "Burn Jita" and "Hulkageddon" are prime examples of this.

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Tippia thats why reformulated the original proposal.

You said:
"No. CONCORD is doing exactly what it's supposed to be doing and highsec is working exactly as intended: CONCORD is simply a mechanism to enforce the cost of aggression."

In fact.... its what i said... one on one situation, random people, no harm done before. If one decides to attack other he gets punished (I m saying price is not high enough considering possible loos). So why the F to kill a pod? Its like with friendly fire in other FPS games. You get much more fun when disabled. People just don't do it, neither intend to do it. (basicly what ShahFluffers was trying to explain)

Let me ask you guys... how often you start the EVE client to play and how long each session take? Are you able to make enough ISK to buy PLEX each month?

The price is what it's supposed to be: the loss of your ship. If the target loses more, it was a well-picked target and/or the target was being careless and wasteful.

To inflict a loss. Same as building a hotel, taking a pawn, building barracks-requiring infantry units. It's nothing like friendly fire.

You're still not doing a good job explaining what problem you're trying to solve or why your absurdly over-the-top suggestion does in any way solve that problem. If you want someone to pay, you make them pay. CONCORD isn't and shouldn't be an agent for your perceived need for revenge.

And since fairness seems to be the security blanket of the uninspired, I would add to this loss of skill points idea. For ever day that you sit in front of an asteroid mining, you lose combat skill points as it seems that endless repedative tasks out way the need to hone your unused Small Projectile Weapons' 3 and Rapid Fire 2 skill set.

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Thank you Verity for your input... sorry for your loos


I think you hit the bullseye with this and fact that no change was made about it in 3 years is even more astonishing.

You think the behavior of the player in VR can be interlinked with behavior in RL?

Based on me i would never attack someone in high sec, not even for revenge, and most sure would not kill the pod (not even in null sec... i think that attacking weak or someone that can not defend is dishonorable).
I don't know in this question i m maybe off....
Eg.
In real life you wittiness your wife being killed in car accident, driver survived crash with telephone pool trying to avoid the accident, would go over to the car and finish him? Or you are in the bank and robber kills guard along with woman with a child, would you dive to dead guard, take his pistol and unload whole clip into that robber, reload the clip and just to be sure would you putt bullet in his head?
Cause this is what you do in eve finishing of a pod? So i don't understand. Its not self-defense its act of murder. Which i see perfectly fit for CONCORD to punish that action by... like i said leaving only his normal clone.
BTW i was traveling in a pod to pick up my ship.
Have you seen the movie Medium cool (really old movie but with good point that majority people miss)?