EVE General Discussion

In light of the upcoming boost to Cap Batteries (they will make you less vulnerable to NOS and Neuts), could we make at least a small adjustment to NOS as well.

They went from being very popular and slightly over powered to rarely used, while Neuts have largely become the mainstay of cap warfare.

Consider that if we left the basic rules of NOS alone except for one small change they would have a role again. Currently NOS only transfer cap away from your target and to your ship if the target has a higher percentage of cap than you have.

If you changed the variable from being based on the percentage of cap to instead be based on the actual amount of cap left NOS become viable again.

Currently Neuts are most effective against smaller ships that usually have less cap than you do, which is fine (esceptions of course exist).

With this change NOS would be most effetive against larger ships with more actual cap than you have (even if their percent of cap is lower than yours), while being somewhat worthless against smaller vessels.

This covers both ends of the spectrum, and gives both Neuts and NOS a distinct role. NOS would again be used, just against appropriate targets.

The Curse and especially the mostly ignored Pilgrim would once again become important ships in any fleet, and their fit would have a dramatic effect on how they were used.

NOS would become very popular on tacklers and other small ships that regularly engage larger vessels, as well as active tankers or other ships that burn a lot of cap compared to their likely close range targets.

Combinations of NOS and Neuts on the same ship would be counter productive.

This would seemingly be a fairly simple change, although I'm sure it would need to be thoroughly examined, and it would still remove some of the issues that caused NOS to be nerfed in the first place.

Please consider it.

Personal opinion, but I think that may be a little over-powered and encourage more-so for people to engage larger ships in a frigate - giving them even a distinct advantage.

A more solid plan might be to simply allow to nos to drain cap irrespective of whether the target has more cap than you. Since it's draining a smaller amount than the neuts it should be balanced.

That was how they originally operated. They were deemed over powered against too wide a range of targets.

Currently if a frigate trains NOS on a BS it draws cap to itself only if the BS has a higher percentage of cap than the frigate, regardless of the fact that in raw numbers the BS has a huge amount of cap left compared to the frigate even if the BS is at half cap.

Conversely, a BS at 50% cap can currently NOS a frigate that is at 100% cap.

tl:dr version:

Give NOS a bit of a boost. Base it's ability on total cap amount instead of on percentage of cap as it is now.
It then is more effective against larger ships, totally ineffective against smaller ships, and is a nice counter point to Neuts without becoming over powered again.

I agree, fitting requirements for both need to be looked at again as well.

One of the points I was attempting to make is that we now have a logical defense vs. both Neuts and Nos. It would be nice if NOS were effective enough for people to actually consider using that defense, without them being overpowered against all other ships if they don't use that defense.

Nos has become a useless module, which indicates that the (needed) nerf to them went a little too far.

Edit: I didn't put it in the other forum as it's more a request for a tweak rather than a new feature.

NOS kinda works on my retribution

Gotta admit, if I can fit a NOS chances are I'll fit a neut instead.

Aha, now I understand you better. Yes, this would work although only to the extent of keeping your own cap alive at the slight expense of your enemy's. Wouldn't be possible to realistically cripple someone with it. Definitely worth a thought.