EVE General Discussion

jesus hulkageddon aint even over yet

Usage numbers certainly look down to me. OP should unsub, like I did with my 4 accounts. This one is the last and it ends next week. Feels good. I have all this time to do things. I keep posting mostly for the annoyance factor, and since I paid for the subscription through next week. Might as well get some amusement for my money.

Free market? Not so much, really. A real free market includes the ability of the market to influence conditions like the laws and regulations. Floods of isk entering the game through plex means the market is not really free. In a free market the scarcity of minerals would lead to action against the factors that limit the market. Laws and action against ganking, for one.

Oh the sandbox. The precious sandbox. The excuse for everything in the game. The sandbox can kiss my butt.

I'm assuming that would be after the facts are ascertained and analyzed, unlike any of the speculation in this thread.

The last information we have seen is that subscriptions continue to increase steadily on an annual basis.

To the poster that had a couple of friends try EVE and quit, this has happened to me as well... in nearly every game I like and have recommended to someone. This is not unique to EVE, people have different tastes. Hulkageddon has little, if anything to do with it. New players are not even the main target of Hulkaggedon.

If they had been careless, gotten blown up by rats or can flipped, and quit saying it was stupid to not be able to freely do industry in High Sec I must assume you would be participating in a thread dedicated to the evils of can flippers and NPC spawns in general.

So more laws and restrictions = a free market.

Gotcha.

Learn what a free market is, then perhaps learn what a sandbox game is, then come back and tell us how you and your 4 accounts are at a disadvantage to all the other players using the exact same toolset that is at your disposal.

PLEX are not an ISK faucet.

It's too bad CCP let it get to the point where they had to drastically rebalance so many economic factors, but it had to be done.

I think that you (the OP) significantly over-estimate the impact that the Goons have on the game. I suspect you may be suffering from EVE Online Forum Bias Syndrome (or what I like to call EOF-BS).

Just like in the real world, you have two types of information: (1) Sensationalized information in the form of stories and anecdotes and (2) the truth. Too much consumption of (1) leads to EOF-BS. A steady diet of (2) can help cure it.

So, to help you get over EOF-BS, I would like to present two things to you:

The first is the dev blog that followed the Burn Jita event. In it, the author clearly states that they LOVE events like Burn Jita. That means that CCP's response that you're looking for is to help players create MORE of these, and not stop it in anyway.

The second is CCP Diagora's Twitter feed. In it, he presents fascinating statistics from the world of EVE. EVE isn't hemorraging players, as you've stated. In fact, it's the opposite. Here's one of his tweets:



I'm sure this include alts that were created by existing players, but I'm also pretty sure that this includes characters from new accounts.

As for your concern about ore prices staying the same while everything else is going up, it's because people who were stockpiling minerals prior to the Escalation patch started selling those minerals on the market. How do I know? Again, we turn to CCP Diagora:





If we assume there are 350,000 active accounts (I read that somewhere, no reference sorry), that means over 114 Billion units of Tritanium have entered the market in the past few weeks. That's a lot. And that's just Tritanium. As those stockpiles start being reabsorbed in the market, overall supply will go down and demand will continue as people want to replace their ships, so mineral prices will start climbing again.

So what am I getting at with all this? Goons aren't affecting EVE nearly as much as you think it is, people aren't leaving EVE in mass numbers as you suggest, the prices aren't nearly as bad as you make them out to be, and CCP isn't going to do much, other than continue monitoring player activities. They'll only step in if things get really bad. And what we've seen lately isn't bad. In fact, it's really good, IMHO.

Just FYI: I read what he posted and it sound like the U.S., so please excuse the (maybe) cryptic RL comparison.

Also, I live in the U.S. and every time I hear some dipshit go on about the free market here, I cringe.

Unless you're doing it horribly wrong, ship and fittings for missions should be a once off cost.

I see a 10% cut in bounties incoming soon, though I doubt that's the answer you are looking for