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HTFU

Aye I saw, but I think they're mainly looking at the awful industry UI. I've not seen anything about BPs. It just struck me that what they're doing with BP's is the polar opposite of what they are trying to do with the UI, which is simplify and unify it as much as possible. The policy for the new mod Blueprints smack of being a work-around, rather than an elegant solution.

I'm not blaming the devs, they are working with what they currently have when it comes to Blueprints.

I'm not advocating the removal of T2 BPOs. I'm advocating an entirely new system that isn't stupid. Look at you, you were in such a rush to start crying that you thought someone hated T2 BPO's that you actually forgot to read the post!



Thanks for sharing professor obvious, it's clear you've learnt a lot in your many years of being ubah!

GTFO

You mean they're not discussing the expansion that's going to happen after this expansion yet?
I for one am outraged, more so that they're not telling us EVERYTHING that's going to be in the expansion after that.


Look, there's alot that needs fixing in eve. CCP always promise a lot because they get over excited about shiny things.
Why don't we wait for this expansion, see how that goes then nudge and poke them about the next one after this?

As far as the whole T2 BPO and things go.
Were you here during the time of the lottery?
Did you witness things like the 30mil T2 DCU?
Did you see what happened when invention came out?
The price tanked and went down and down to it's current low low prices.

Why was that?
Rather than there being a handfull of people who sold DCU's at agreed prices you had hundreads of inventards undercutting each other and drivign the price into the floor.
Then when they "couldn't make any isk off them" who's fault was it? CLEARLY the T2 BPO holders.

Eve's a complicated system, so it's going to take time to improve all the things. Give it a chance.

Also, I have no T2 BPOs but if anyone wants to give me some I'm not going to complain.

AFAIK, they don't build any (or at least most), they import them. But in any case: Why should production of any particular ship be limited to some arbitrary number.

Can you tell us what you think would be the right number of Maelstroms allowed should be?

Given the Goons have a large amount of ISK, don't you think it's likely that your idea of limiting produiction to a set amount would result in Goons having the ship types they want, and no-one else being able to get them? I'm pretty sure they'd cheerfully pay 250M for Mael hulls if it meant that no one else could get them. That would give them an unbeatable advantage, plus a fresh new harvest of tears from foolish people who make unwise suggestions without thinking through the obvious ramifications.


(You)

I did forget that sarcasm doesn't convey well over the internet^^

I don't like that the new modules are only seeded as BPCs (and the last point about limited imbalances is the most likely reason for that) because I think it runs directly counter to the idea of a player-run economy.

Minerals limit overall production of ships/modules but how much of that overall production is allocated to any single ship is currently decided by the players/player-driven market. CCP trying to control that would hurt the quality of our economic sandbox massively in my opinion.

@Malcanis
0.0 alliances build T1 ships in 0.0 - without mineral compression the logistics of supplying a large alliance would be unfeasible.
A Rhea has 375,705 m^3 cargo. That's 7 packaged Maelstroms - or 85 Maelstroms in minerals (*) .
How things work is: buy minerals in high-sec, compress them into T1 modules, haul to 0.0, reprocess modules, build ships.


(*) there are some issues with that number as it uses gas cloud harvesters which have great compression but long production times and assumes you cannot buy high-ends in 0.0 which you usually can ; the practical number is probably in the 60-70 range.

Noted... Though this is the EVE forums... You never can be sure!



Completely agree.

effort?

I think these unusual modules that are more niche definitely should be bpc drop. Makes them pretty cool. of course drop rate, runs, and manufacturing cost need to be well planned to make them cost effective.

In the hijack argument of the T2 BPO's, personally, I am surprized ccp didn't make them some 10,000 run bpc so that the overall manufacturing in the end would make them still pay back the owners, but still nice for the market to have them removed.