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Dawn Flare
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2012-05-16 06:42:42 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
If you're not a Goon you're an alt of a Goon, is that the way it works this month? or are we still on NPC alts being alts of alts of Goons?

We are all Goon alts, didn't you know that?
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#122 - 2012-05-16 07:02:03 UTC  |  Edited by: No More Heroes
Dawn Flare wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
If you're not a Goon you're an alt of a Goon, is that the way it works this month? or are we still on NPC alts being alts of alts of Goons?

We are all Goon alts, didn't you know that?


According to the gospel of Lowtax- on the 7th day, God created goons.

.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2012-05-16 08:11:46 UTC
Kasdeya Vetis wrote:
Several years back, I had a federal government job in the States. I worked on a naval weapons station that had an alligator problem- they would occasionally wander out of the swamp and into the housing areas. Most weren't an issue, but there was one that was absolutely huge, and terrified everyone, even though he was as peaceful as could be. Seriously, the worst thing he ever did was block traffic for two hours because he got his head stuck under a guardrail trying to cross the road.

Anyhow, the station staff enlist some animal control and wildlife specialist folks to move this particular gator to the far side of the weapons station, because he's so scary lookin. So they track him tranq him, and get rid of him. What they didn't understand is that gator populations always have a top dog. He grows bigger than the rest because he consumes more- not because he's an abnormal occurrence. Sure enough, a year later, there's another gator the size of the old one, only this one is violent in the housing areas and starts taking out pets. They had to kill that one.

And they're still having to kill gators there, one at a time, as they get big enough to be truly dangerous to anyone but idiots. If they'd understood the dynamics of the thing they were messing with, they might have realized there wasn't much they could do about there always being one gator bigger than the others out there in the swamp. And they might have left it alone, realizing that the big gator they had to deal with right then wasn't nearly as bad as it could be.

Story time over- this post is completely unrelated to the thread.


Good post in a terrible thread.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Plentath
Sparkle Motion.
#124 - 2012-05-16 10:10:10 UTC
OP should google "REDSwarm"
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#125 - 2012-05-16 10:46:08 UTC
Edington Trent wrote:
Highsec pilots measure their success in isk/hr.

Lowsec pilots measure their success in kills/hr

Nullsec pilots measure their success in blobs/hr

Goons measure their success in tears/hr


(and wormhole pilots watch it all on the forums and laugh)

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
Andrea Roche
State War Academy
Caldari State
#126 - 2012-05-16 10:53:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Roche
Goons are the plague and they will disapear soon enough.
Every empire colapses one day or the other. There are no exceptions to this rule.
The day will come when they will have to conveniently forget to pay soverenghty fees (while heavelly under attack and losing sov) and disband like before P
All it takes is enough people hating them and someone to rally them and they will fall. Its karma baby!
Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#127 - 2012-05-16 10:54:21 UTC
Tell me, OP, why I should risk my neck for you? The Goons don't bother me and I don't bother them - why change the staus quo?
Give me a reason to join your cause. Simply stating "to take down the Goons" is not enough.

Say on the extreme unlikeliness that you do succeed in taking out the Goons, what then?
Who will fill the power vacuum? Someone probably 10 times worse.

No, The Goons are a part of the EvE eco system and unless they self destruct from within they'll be here until hell freezes over.

Besides - They Keep Things Interesting.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2012-05-16 10:55:57 UTC
no please bring the hisec blob to deklein

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Draydin Warsong
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2012-05-16 11:11:16 UTC
Kasdeya Vetis wrote:
Several years back, I had a federal government job in the States. I worked on a naval weapons station that had an alligator problem- they would occasionally wander out of the swamp and into the housing areas. Most weren't an issue, but there was one that was absolutely huge, and terrified everyone, even though he was as peaceful as could be. Seriously, the worst thing he ever did was block traffic for two hours because he got his head stuck under a guardrail trying to cross the road.

Anyhow, the station staff enlist some animal control and wildlife specialist folks to move this particular gator to the far side of the weapons station, because he's so scary lookin. So they track him tranq him, and get rid of him. What they didn't understand is that gator populations always have a top dog. He grows bigger than the rest because he consumes more- not because he's an abnormal occurrence. Sure enough, a year later, there's another gator the size of the old one, only this one is violent in the housing areas and starts taking out pets. They had to kill that one.

And they're still having to kill gators there, one at a time, as they get big enough to be truly dangerous to anyone but idiots. If they'd understood the dynamics of the thing they were messing with, they might have realized there wasn't much they could do about there always being one gator bigger than the others out there in the swamp. And they might have left it alone, realizing that the big gator they had to deal with right then wasn't nearly as bad as it could be.

Story time over- this post is completely unrelated to the thread.


Your story assumes that everyone wants to see the goons gone. I myself think they have entertainment value. Its not about capturing and getting rid of the alligator...its about jumping on its back and dry humping it whilst screaming "SQUEAL PIGGY".
Aldeskwatso
Primus Societas
Crimson Interstellar Alliance
#130 - 2012-05-16 12:12:24 UTC
Selinate wrote:
We need to do something about the goons. They've plagued Eve for too long now. My proposal: All english speaking players must team up with the Russians to take them down.

Think about it. It wasn't long ago that the DRF beat the Northern Coalition. They can do the exact same thing to the goons and they don't like them either. Let's pool our isk together so we can pay the translators and work together to bring the goons down.

Down with the Mittani.


What wil this accomplish?

A lot of fun. Thats for sure. But another "Goon" like enclave will inevitably rise from the ashes.

The result of uniting New Eden against Goons 'n "Friends" propperly will likely result in them taking a beating they wont recover from for a long time. This creates a big power gap for other dominant and able alliances to jump into resulting in the fall of the recent union of New Eden. Chaos ensues giving Goons a chance to re-organise and salvage (the critical point to destroy them completely or not) what is left to save as much face a possible. A few other alliances have filled the gap left behind by the goons and things will start to stabalise. But due to the recent chaos new enemies have been created and things will continue as they did once stuff has settled down enough.

Personally I'm neutral towards goons. Don't particularly like them nor hate them. Every once in a while a "Goon or friend" drops by and makes an attempt to validate it's excistance by some manner they prefer. It brings a fine addition to the game and results in them playing their part. A part easily and eagerly replaced by another now and as a result of a total purge of goons.

But even if no union of New Eden gets of the ground and does it's thing. Events resulting in the goons demise have been set in motion that can't be undone. But the instument that will bring them down is not clear yet. A union of New Eden is a possibility or some means of an internal deorganisation and destabelisation or another single power block crushes them or a combination of it all.

Fact is. Nothing lasts forever. There's to much to gain from crushing the goons and ultimatly someone will take the gain from it. Greed is a powerfull thing.

To who ever pulls it off. Salut.

The biggest obstacle you'll encounter doing anything is yourself.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#131 - 2012-05-16 12:14:35 UTC
Aldeskwatso wrote:
Fact is. Nothing lasts forever.

If only people mining in hulks in highsec acknowledged this. Good stuff ~~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#132 - 2012-05-16 12:21:27 UTC
Selinate wrote:
We need to do something about the goons. They've plagued Eve for too long now. My proposal: All english speaking players must team up with the Russians to take them down.

Think about it. It wasn't long ago that the DRF beat the Northern Coalition. They can do the exact same thing to the goons and they don't like them either. Let's pool our isk together so we can pay the translators and work together to bring the goons down.

Down with the Mittani.


You need to set reimbursement programs no one in whatever coalition you can set will accept.
Encourage people to pvp is at first telling them "hey go get killed and win isk".

Why? -because most of those only need players to tax and get out of them as much isk as they can, because win eve for them it's not a matter of joy and fun playing together with people from different countries and not English native mandatory to rule over large portions of space.

Their fun and misconception of win at Eve point of view is to get as much isk and pimp stuff for themselves and their acolytes/alts, socialise and play with hundreds of other people in a good mood even when you loose is not mandatory.

Good luck with that to do something.

brb
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#133 - 2012-05-16 12:28:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
You need to set reimbursement programs no one in whatever coalition you can set will accept.
Encourage people to pvp is at first telling them "hey go get killed and win isk".

Actually, for those t=who flip their history books -

Goons didn't have reimbursement when we started fighting BoB. Apparently newbies would use Ospreys to mine for their next ship (or the ship after that).

Now if that works for highsec people, I don't know. After a while you appreciate (get it~~) simply piling on your isk or whatever.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Verte Sinkon
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#134 - 2012-05-16 12:47:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Verte Sinkon
Aldeskwatso wrote:
Selinate wrote:
We need to do something about the goons. They've plagued Eve for too long now. My proposal: All english speaking players must team up with the Russians to take them down.

Think about it. It wasn't long ago that the DRF beat the Northern Coalition. They can do the exact same thing to the goons and they don't like them either. Let's pool our isk together so we can pay the translators and work together to bring the goons down.

Down with the Mittani.


What wil this accomplish?

A lot of fun. Thats for sure. But another "Goon" like enclave will inevitably rise from the ashes.

The result of uniting New Eden against Goons 'n "Friends" propperly will likely result in them taking a beating they wont recover from for a long time. This creates a big power gap for other dominant and able alliances to jump into resulting in the fall of the recent union of New Eden. Chaos ensues giving Goons a chance to re-organise and salvage (the critical point to destroy them completely or not) what is left to save as much face a possible. A few other alliances have filled the gap left behind by the goons and things will start to stabalise. But due to the recent chaos new enemies have been created and things will continue as they did once stuff has settled down enough.

Personally I'm neutral towards goons. Don't particularly like them nor hate them. Every once in a while a "Goon or friend" drops by and makes an attempt to validate it's excistance by some manner they prefer. It brings a fine addition to the game and results in them playing their part. A part easily and eagerly replaced by another now and as a result of a total purge of goons.

But even if no union of New Eden gets of the ground and does it's thing. Events resulting in the goons demise have been set in motion that can't be undone. But the instument that will bring them down is not clear yet. A union of New Eden is a possibility or some means of an internal deorganisation and destabelisation or another single power block crushes them or a combination of it all.

Fact is. Nothing lasts forever. There's to much to gain from crushing the goons and ultimatly someone will take the gain from it. Greed is a powerfull thing.

To who ever pulls it off. Salut.


Although this is right in front of my eyeballs, I still have a hard time believe someone just wrote a post this long about some totally unrealistic armchair general fantasy theory of the downfall of the CFC.

Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
You need to set reimbursement programs no one in whatever coalition you can set will accept.
Encourage people to pvp is at first telling them "hey go get killed and win isk".


The amount of fraudulent reimbursements that would happen in some mish mash coalition that provided reimbursement is enough to make my mouth water.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#135 - 2012-05-16 12:47:57 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
Dawn Flare wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
If you're not a Goon you're an alt of a Goon, is that the way it works this month? or are we still on NPC alts being alts of alts of Goons?

We are all Goon alts, didn't you know that?


According to the gospel of Lowtax- on the 7th day, God created goons.


Bugger I just can't keep up with who's who on the ever changing front lines of forum warfare, I'm now going to have to check my alts to make sure that they're all somehow related to Goons even if they are in an NPC corp. When do we all become CCP alts again? or is the next tinfoil of the month that we're all just alts of people that play that abysmal thing called STO?

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Aldeskwatso
Primus Societas
Crimson Interstellar Alliance
#136 - 2012-05-16 14:06:02 UTC
Verte Sinkon wrote:

Although this is right in front of my eyeballs, I still have a hard time believe someone just wrote a post this long about some totally unrealistic armchair general fantasy theory of the downfall of the CFC.


Are you really that naïf to label it as fantasy that CFC is eventually doomed? You've had a good run and will probably last a bit longer. But you only need to look at history and follow the paralels. You're no different to anyone else at all. But hastly labelling notions of an inevitable downfall of CFC as fantasy proves my point. Your ranks are already disillusioned by a seemingly collective view you'll have uninterrupted and limitless longevity. If that grows that could be another contributing nail in your collective coffin.

Can't tell you I told you so. But I am telling you. Just can't tell you howCry

The biggest obstacle you'll encounter doing anything is yourself.
Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2012-05-16 14:22:43 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Sorry I was quiet for the whole day, I was moving to a new place. I know you missed me.

highonpop wrote:
Yes, because Goons are the problem.

NOt the fact that most of you live in HS and base your assumption of nullsec corps on what you read on EN24 and the EVE-O forums.



/failthreadisfail


I live in a WH. Thanks.


Then why are goons a problem for you?
Selinate
#138 - 2012-05-16 14:28:23 UTC
Calfis wrote:


Then why are goons a problem for you?

Because of this.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#139 - 2012-05-16 15:12:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Serge Bastana
Some people take internet pixel spaceships a bit seriously, and the Goons don't really. They admit themselves that it won't last forever and nothing does. We could have had BoB being the major influence in the game instead, wonder what that would have been like Shocked

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#140 - 2012-05-16 15:16:33 UTC
Only thing I would like to see happen to goons, the commander or Lt. Commander, steals everything and ruins the alliance.

Basically 1 person ****ing everyone. I don't have anything personal against goons, just because how big they are is why I would like to see this.

I couldn't imagine all the changes that would bring to the game.