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Why 95% of EVE solo and small gang PVP is dead.

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Heribeck Weathers
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#141 - 2012-05-12 16:51:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Heribeck Weathers
Here is a guide to how solo pvp fundementaly works

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g306/diaboso/solo-5.jpg

was made in like 5mins so its pretty sloppy :P
Rhealee
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#142 - 2012-05-13 08:04:07 UTC
I dont see why so many people ***** and moan about not finding small or solo pvp. Its really not that hard to do. And you can dovit on any level from frigs to caps. Which reminds me about number 4 from original post. I have never personally soloed a cap ship but recently i was in a rorqual + thanny vs my loki + maelstrom friend fight. Rorqual did die and we had to let thanny run away.
I spent 6 months straight over the past year doing nothing but solo pvp in a loki in 0.0

Now for some reason when it comes across the enemies intell your there they run and hide or try to blob you immediately.
I suggest hang out with them let them know your not the *** with the falcon alt or ecm drones, and lets be serious, whos gonna hotdrop with a t3. Not to say ppl wont.
You and your handy dandy small bubble and some knowhow can very easily wrek havoc and get damn good fights.
Now some of your victims Will put themselves in a position to die willingly like as bait for their fleet or try bait and fight you straight up.
Most people you fight are unwilling to fight and try to escape in all sorts of ways from ecm to fake cyno to plum ejecting.

i have found that almost all my solo pvp has been me just going out on planned expeditions. But most of my small gang pvp is spontaneous like hey some nuets lets go kill these guys grab a ship quick.

Ive done a little bit of every type of pvp and i prefer small gang hang out talk and more tactical. Solo tends to get boring fast i find myself falling asleep on gates in hostile territory or watching tv or cusing up a storm because those bastards too chicken to fight even with significant advantages.


Side note i got into my first damn good cap fight last night in at least 2 years. Lost my thanny and a sabre but even after getting away i landed in safe spot just said no, **** it this will be fun. Warp drive active.

Hopefully this inspires or gives hope to some of those in doubt about small gang pvp. Its still very much alive we just have to look harder and the new terms of fair is you at a disadvantage 90% of the time.
Intigo
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#143 - 2012-05-13 08:30:13 UTC
WildCat is so dumb. Why is WildCat so dumb?

hydra provail

Captain Campion
Campion Corp.
#144 - 2012-05-13 11:51:27 UTC
I'll add price to the mix.

We used to be able to make small cheap gangs and set a random destination and throw ships at whatever we found.

Currently it's about twice as expensive to do that as it was a year ago.
Aesheera
Doomheim
#145 - 2012-05-14 09:15:45 UTC
DHB WildCat wrote:
Wall of Truth

Agreed with practically everything here.

Those were greater days and - even tho EVE still shines - I miss them.

I still remember you, DHB, hopping into Ihakana in your Rattler/Nightmare fighting the good fights.

Heck, I even remember our Nightmare vs Nightmare in Otsela.
You may not, I do.
A stalemate that was, but still good enjoyment.

- I think my passion is misinterpreted as anger sometimes. And I don't think people are ready for the message that I'm delivering, and delivering with a sense of violent love.

Valea Silpha
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#146 - 2012-05-14 19:55:06 UTC
The reason why there is so much less small scale pvp is actually pretty simple.

Eve has matured to be more like the real world.

Fighting because fighting is fun is certainly something that exists in both, but it has become a hobby or a spectator sport rather than something that actually achieves something. Small pvp was always more about having fun than a grand plan, and thats fine. But if you want that kind of fighting you have to find other people who are of the same mind.

In real life, if you want to fight for fun, you have to go to a boxing gym or a dojo or some place thats full of people who are into fighting for fun.

Much like as in the real world, in eve people have worked out that you only fight when you have to, and if you have to, that means its important enough to win that blobbing doesn't matter. Retaining control of your techmoons or whatever is more important than a good fight.

Basically, solo pvp is obsolete in terms of galactic politics, the same way that two champions dueling in front of massed armies is obsolete in terms of modern warfare. It doesn't achieve anything, so why would anyone who doesn't specifically get a kick out of it bother to try and make it happen.

Its also worth noting that for years on end, the very people who now scream about a lack of small pvp, were tooling around low sec in big, heavy gangs murdering the ever loving **** out of everything and dropping in caps if there was any vague possibility that someone had brought enough guys to fight them. Honestly, I have no sympathy what so ever.

Mostly what people mean by 'not enough small pvp' is 'not enough small gangs for my larger, better gang to kill'. They don't want more fair fights. They want more easy victories. I can understand that its depressing to be in the middle of the food chain. The people smaller than you will go to extreme ends to not fight you, but the people above you, you don't have a hope in hell of actually fighting. Well boohooo. Maybe if you didn't wreck low sec for everyone for the past 5 years, people would be happier to come out and play.
Kristoffon Ellecon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2012-05-14 21:10:20 UTC
Valea Silpha wrote:

Fighting because fighting is fun is certainly something that exists in both, but it has become a hobby or a spectator sport rather than something that actually achieves something. Small pvp was always more about having fun than a grand plan, and thats fine. But if you want that kind of fighting you have to find other people who are of the same mind.


Or you find a cozy spot near a bunch of nullsec carebears and have fun griefing them.

Valea Silpha wrote:
Basically, solo pvp is obsolete in terms of galactic politics


Nope, see above.
Theodoric Darkwind
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2012-05-15 00:43:11 UTC
Mac Tir wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Why is solo and small gang PvP important? Empire building is about numbers and fleets and resources and strategy. Small time thugs mugging each other isn't important in the big picture.



Some people don't want to be part of an empire. Some people prefer to wander alone or with a few small friends. It's a little narrow minded to suggest that the two styles of play cannot co-exist.


Find others interested in 1v1s and small gang fights and have gudfites. Stop whining about blobbing when you barge into sov space hunting for dumb ratters and your small gang gets blobbed.
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#149 - 2012-05-16 03:39:27 UTC
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
Mac Tir wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Why is solo and small gang PvP important? Empire building is about numbers and fleets and resources and strategy. Small time thugs mugging each other isn't important in the big picture.



Some people don't want to be part of an empire. Some people prefer to wander alone or with a few small friends. It's a little narrow minded to suggest that the two styles of play cannot co-exist.


Find others interested in 1v1s and small gang fights and have gudfites. Stop whining about blobbing when you barge into sov space hunting for dumb ratters and your small gang gets blobbed.


We actually look for dumb Null Sec F%#s that do nothing BUT blob. Seems to me the collective mentality of a group goes down the more their numbers go up. But by all means lock up and hit F1 like a good lemming.
Archimedes Eratosthenes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#150 - 2012-05-16 05:56:53 UTC
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#151 - 2012-05-16 06:17:54 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
We actually look for dumb Null Sec F%#s that do nothing BUT blob. Seems to me the collective mentality of a group goes down the more their numbers go up. But by all means lock up and hit F1 like a good lemming.


Did you just admit to seeking out easy fights instead of challenging ones?
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#152 - 2012-05-16 08:26:46 UTC
I seem to have no problem with solo pvp neither does my corp or many other players.

Maybe your just mad cause you can no longer jump your 10bil nightmare into a camp in m-o and get back to gate with all the recons and tier3's about.

Solo and small gang is not dead, if it was my corp would be as well.
DHB WildCat
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#153 - 2012-05-16 16:07:29 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
I seem to have no problem with solo pvp neither does my corp or many other players.

Maybe your just mad cause you can no longer jump your 10bil nightmare into a camp in m-o and get back to gate with all the recons and tier3's about.

Solo and small gang is not dead, if it was my corp would be as well.




This is really just getting silly. I can still do it because I can afford a ship built to fight the blob. I am in the 5%, however you should not have to spend billions of isk in order to small gang pvp. That is what this thread is about, Im sick and tired of you people that refuse to read the thread and just bash the OP without thought.

Now stop and add something constructive.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#154 - 2012-05-16 17:52:36 UTC
DHB WildCat wrote:
This is really just getting silly. I can still do it because I can afford a ship built to fight the blob. I am in the 5%, however you should not have to spend billions of isk in order to small gang pvp. That is what this thread is about, Im sick and tired of you people that refuse to read the thread and just bash the OP without thought.

Now stop and add something constructive.


I see people who successfully solo in cheap(ish) ships, like T2 fit BCs...
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#155 - 2012-05-16 17:57:25 UTC
ACtually, PvPing in cheap-ass (or free) ships has always been easier than in those costing some isk.

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#156 - 2012-05-16 18:01:07 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
ACtually, PvPing in cheap-ass (or free) ships has always been easier than in those costing some isk.

Pretty much.

My corp is a cheap-ass/free solo/small gang PvP corp and in my opinion we're doing alright. You don't need a bling-Cynabal to fight a blob. You could just go fight something else. Or... just throw your five T1-fit frogates at their blob, kill a couple of interceptors, die, and laugh all the way home, where you get more frigates.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Natasha Hec
Croatoan Enterprises
#157 - 2012-05-16 19:23:15 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
ACtually, PvPing in cheap-ass (or free) ships has always been easier than in those costing some isk.

Pretty much.

My corp is a cheap-ass/free solo/small gang PvP corp and in my opinion we're doing alright. You don't need a bling-Cynabal to fight a blob. You could just go fight something else. Or... just throw your five T1-fit frogates at their blob, kill a couple of interceptors, die, and laugh all the way home, where you get more frigates.


This man talks the truth, I rarely spend more than 30m on my pvp ships and most of the time I fly Incursus (More once the buff gets on tq), and I haven't had any trouble soloing. Its actually been easier than when I used to role faction/t2 cruisers.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#158 - 2012-05-16 20:31:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Gibbo3771
DHB WildCat wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
I seem to have no problem with solo pvp neither does my corp or many other players.

Maybe your just mad cause you can no longer jump your 10bil nightmare into a camp in m-o and get back to gate with all the recons and tier3's about.

Solo and small gang is not dead, if it was my corp would be as well.




This is really just getting silly. I can still do it because I can afford a ship built to fight the blob. I am in the 5%, however you should not have to spend billions of isk in order to small gang pvp. That is what this thread is about, Im sick and tired of you people that refuse to read the thread and just bash the OP without thought.

Now stop and add something constructive.


We dont run expensive gangs, we run run of the mill BC gangs with recons. Considering we are a corp of 10 active members at a time and we get multiple cap kills, loads of 0.0 fights and around 50bil in dmgs every week, seems like gang/solo is still there.

I read the op and it was covered in bitterness, its not CCP's fault you cant adapt to the game the way it is.

I also have no trouble solo pvp'in any frigates and BC's. If you have then thats your fault, not anyone elses.


I just think are a dried up bitter vet that is pissed at the fact your machariels and vindicators die more than they used to cause of the "blob".

Solo and small gang pvp is fine.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#159 - 2012-05-16 20:53:30 UTC
Alexa Coates wrote:
Whenever i try to pvp, i try to do it solo.

I always get my ass stomped by guys with faction/t2 ships with a dickload of skills, and that in effect leaves me without the ability to get experience, short of 'just dump money into it.'


AC Thrasher fit, T2, point, neut. Choose targets well, and have fun. Entering into a fight that guarantees your death (you v blob) is not brave or "toe-to-toe", it's just dumb. Best fight I've had in months was my Thrasher v 2 Rifters... I popped one before the second popped me. Good fun. :)
Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#160 - 2012-05-17 06:10:59 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Tara Read wrote:
We actually look for dumb Null Sec F%#s that do nothing BUT blob. Seems to me the collective mentality of a group goes down the more their numbers go up. But by all means lock up and hit F1 like a good lemming.


Did you just admit to seeking out easy fights instead of challenging ones?


No no you misunderstand me my good sir. What I mean is that a majority of Null Sec pilots on an individual level are incompetent when it comes to smaller skirmishes. There never is an "easy" fight especially because an engagement can escalate rather quickly especially in Null dealing with a larger gang.