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Are you kidding me....?

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steave435
Perkone
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-05-14 08:25:35 UTC
I could be wrong, but isn't this a targeted module anyway? That's my assumption considering the "can be fitted to" stats match up with the different Caldari EW ships that would get bonuses for it (with exceptions for the frigs, and for some reason, recons). That would mean that you'd have to bring ECM ships with you, which will have to deal with a 80% scan res penalty while trying to lock the target that need help, and when (if really, even logistics have issues locking in time) that lock is achieved, the target will probably have taken heavy damage already, which means that making the logistics loose lock on it is a very big penalty....and before you can use it again, you'd have to spend a very long time re-locking that target since you just broke your own lock on it too.

Even if it's used effectively, all you have to do to counter it is to call a primary/wing (or something like that, depending on how effective the mod is) so the lock break chance doesn't get too high on any given target, which means you'd need to do more damage then the enemy logistics can rep, or hope that the 50 ships you have firing will be enough to alpha it anyway. Both could happen depending on how well you coordinate and target ship.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#62 - 2012-05-14 09:12:06 UTC
This mod seems very dumb.
It's basically an OP ECM burst...

EVE needs less ECM, not more.

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#63 - 2012-05-14 19:36:56 UTC
The module is chance based like ECM for 20s meaning it doesn't stop enemies from re-targeting you, it just has a chance to break locks again in 20s time frame.
How often the module polls for lock breaking is the question though or does it work like targeted ECM preventing scrambled enemies from locking you for a whole 20s period ?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2012-05-15 03:04:11 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Merin Ryskin wrote:

Make the scan resolution penalty apply at all times, not just when you activate the module.
Edit: if this is already done, then good. The previous comments are ambiguous on whether the 80% penalty is applied at all times when the module is online, or only once you activate it.

I think if the scan resolution penalty were applied while active it would explicitly say so, but the raw stats pulled say "scanResolutionMultipler: 0.2". Of course that's a variable name, so one can't be sure just by that. Still though I believe the penalty applies while the module is online (or possibly even just fitted).

And to others: it's not OP.
It's not OP because (by my current understanding of the module):

  • for gang sizes, the module gives and advantage to small vs. large, and large vs. large, but not to large vs. small or small vs. small
  • You can't fit it to anything other than cruisers and battleships (and blackops for some reason I don't really understand)
  • It's a severely penalized module so it might not even be used except in niche cases
  • It only affects ship's target locks on the ship using it, not a blanket targeting lock like ECM
  • It doesn't prevent locking, only breaks locking attempts and current locks (by chance) when activated


mxzf wrote:
Also, I think the biggest users of these things will be any FC (you don't have to target to call primary)

If there's a visual effect to this module then it's a pretty quick way to get yourself spotted as the FC. :P

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2012-05-15 19:47:04 UTC
The module has changed.

It is now called the Target Spectrum Breaker and is only fittable on battleships, black ops, and marauders. The -80% scan resolution bonus has been added, and the prerequisite skill is electronic warfare 4.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Coolsmoke
State War Academy
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-05-15 22:53:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Coolsmoke
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The module has changed.

It is now called the Target Spectrum Breaker and is only fittable on battleships, black ops, and marauders. The -80% scan resolution bonus has been added, and the prerequisite skill is electronic warfare 4.


..So your average non-SEBO'd Dominix, which with decent skills locks a cruiser in about 11secs, will with one of these fitted have its locking time increased to about.. oh, 45secs.

That's just silly.
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2012-05-16 02:45:56 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
I say this firmly with tongue in cheek, but maybe the slogan for Sisi right now should be "Try before you cry" Twisted

this is the best thing ever.

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.