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CrazedCC won't let you go if you pay his ransom.
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Gaktern Flagg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-05-13 17:00:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaktern Flagg
Learned that one the hard way. Also learned that Plastic Wrap Plex is not actually plex. Oh well, you have to learn somehow.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#2 - 2012-05-13 17:11:54 UTC
Shame when those lessons are public and really quite graphic. However, somebody styling himself as a deranged credit card shouldn't be taken lightly at all.
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-05-13 19:29:49 UTC
Who'd recruit pay ransom to someone named CrazedCC? Straight
Axel Greye
Unlikely Suspects
#4 - 2012-05-13 20:38:38 UTC
he is very sorry, his guns malfunctioned and your tank was so brittle that he accidentally your ship. Sad
CrazedCC
Last Flight
#5 - 2012-05-13 20:45:48 UTC
As the CEO of Nova Ardour I am very sorry for this breakdown in communications.....

We will pay back your ransom ISK and the hull cost of your drake.

Goodday Sir.

CrazedCC
CEO
Nova Ardour
Ehnea Mehk
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-05-13 20:53:30 UTC
Gaktern Flagg wrote:
Learned that one the hard way. Also learned that Plastic Wrap Plex is not actually plex. Oh well, you have to learn somehow.


Never pay a ransom, ever. Not only does it mark you as a griefer target down the road, this is EVE Online and "one's word" is as rare as a 1K ISK Orca.

Ehnea
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-05-14 00:04:28 UTC
Ehnea Mehk wrote:
Gaktern Flagg wrote:
Learned that one the hard way. Also learned that Plastic Wrap Plex is not actually plex. Oh well, you have to learn somehow.


Never pay a ransom, ever. Not only does it mark you as a griefer target down the road, this is EVE Online and "one's word" is as rare as a 1K ISK Orca.

Ehnea


Python Cartel always honored ransoms, the corp is dead now but the point is we always honored ransoms. That one time when I accidentally a pod with a drake was ok because they were about to discuss ransom but no isk had been transferred Bear

Really is horrible accidentally firing a full volley and being far enough away where you can see the missiles flying really slowly at the stationary pod that's scrammed Shocked

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Garven Dreis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-05-14 01:05:48 UTC
I'd honour ransoms, if people actually payed ransoms these days.

Terrible Poster Runner-up 2014
Count of MonteCylon
Anti-Pirate Enforcement
#9 - 2012-05-14 04:21:48 UTC
The only time someone has even tried to ransom me was after they blew my ship up. They must not be making pirates like they used to.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. -- Ephesians 6:12
Garven Dreis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-05-14 05:29:27 UTC
Count of MonteCylon wrote:
The only time someone has even tried to ransom me was after they blew my ship up. They must not be making pirates like they used to.


Contracting the corpse back to the owner is pretty legit. Some people hate the idea that someone else has their precious biomass. I think they are nifty collectables.

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Carrelle Rouppon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-05-14 08:19:08 UTC
Crazed causing havoc as per usual.

Without operations like mine it would be impossible for certain Alliances to conduct a respectable war. There are three basic types of arms deal: white, being legal, black, being illegal, and my personal favorite, gray.

Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#12 - 2012-05-14 12:49:41 UTC
Came expecting a Lee Janssen post...

...left disappoint.

The moar you cry the less you pee
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#13 - 2012-05-14 12:52:42 UTC
He expected the CEO of Nova Ardour not to **** him?

That's pretty funny.
CrazedCC
Last Flight
#14 - 2012-05-14 14:16:56 UTC
I often find myself in the soft folds of a virgin carebear....they make it so damn easy Lol

All the ISK i will ever need is floating around highsec....Gawd i love STEAK!
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#15 - 2012-05-14 14:38:24 UTC
Garven Dreis wrote:
I'd honour ransoms, if people actually payed ransoms these days.


Ransoms depend on trust.
If I trusted a person enough not to blow up my ship after I paid a ransom...they wouldn't be the type of person who'd be holding a gun to my ship in the first place. Bit of a catch 22.

I'm not saying there aren't pirates who will honor ransoms, but those being held hostage have no legitimate way to verify who is whom.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Karloth Valois
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
The New Eden Yacht Club.
#16 - 2012-05-15 01:48:46 UTC
Garven Dreis wrote:

Contracting the corpse back to the owner is pretty legit. Some people hate the idea that someone else has their precious biomass. I think they are nifty collectables.


Always contract the corpse back...just never promise that it wont be slightly used and sticky first, because that would be lying and dishonorable.

Plently of pirates and pirate corp honor 1v1's and ransoms, or pay back if they do accidently continue violence on your ship. The Black Rabbits are one i know for a fact do. Problem is most of the stuff posted on forums is about people that dont honor so that makes people think all people do that, which is why its really not worth offering one anymore just wasting time before you have to blow them up.

It's not been nice, but thanks for using lube
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#17 - 2012-05-15 07:55:26 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Garven Dreis wrote:
I'd honour ransoms, if people actually payed ransoms these days.


Ransoms depend on trust.
If I trusted a person enough not to blow up my ship after I paid a ransom...they wouldn't be the type of person who'd be holding a gun to my ship in the first place. Bit of a catch 22.

I'm not saying there aren't pirates who will honor ransoms, but those being held hostage have no legitimate way to verify who is whom.



I'd hold a gun on your ship and honor the ransom if that was my business. Bad business offering ransom and not honoring it. If I can make 220 million off you without wasting ammo, isn't that better than you not giving me ISK and I have to salvage and loot your ship if I want to profit? That may or may not be worth it.
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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#18 - 2012-05-15 12:02:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinstar Colton
Mars Theran wrote:
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Garven Dreis wrote:
I'd honour ransoms, if people actually payed ransoms these days.


Ransoms depend on trust.
If I trusted a person enough not to blow up my ship after I paid a ransom...they wouldn't be the type of person who'd be holding a gun to my ship in the first place. Bit of a catch 22.

I'm not saying there aren't pirates who will honor ransoms, but those being held hostage have no legitimate way to verify who is whom.



I'd hold a gun on your ship and honor the ransom if that was my business. Bad business offering ransom and not honoring it. If I can make 220 million off you without wasting ammo, isn't that better than you not giving me ISK and I have to salvage and loot your ship if I want to profit? That may or may not be worth it.


Or you could take my 220 million....and then shoot up my ship and take the loot/salvage on top of it to maximize your profit.

This isn't like a normal business where screwing over your customers can be bad in the long run and it is ultimately more profitable to deal with them fairly so they'll keep coming back to you. You are in the business of screwing people over.

Even if you honor the ransom and are polite about the whole affair, nobody is going to willingly repeat the exchange. (Unless they're dumb and get caught again).


I hold no grudges against pirates. I trade, you guys ransom. We each do what we find is fun. I'm just explaining the mindset of an industrialist who might be trying to decide on paying that ransom or not, and what is going through their mind.

A smart industrialist would mount a gun on their hauler and, when pinned down for ransom, eject their cargo and hold their own jetcan ransom in exchange for being allowed to escape with their ship. An even smarter one would eject just 1 trit and say it was their whole cargo. Now who has to trust whom?

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-05-16 02:29:08 UTC
Self destruct is your friend if someone is demanding a ransom, just hope your tank holds out for 2 minutes.
Orly Rly
Ship vs Rock
#20 - 2012-05-16 03:13:11 UTC
It takes a pretty special sociopath to clean up a ship after it's owner pays a ransom.
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