EVE General Discussion

There is always the odd player that can run level 4/5 missions in a Velator armed only with a civilian gun and a mining laser.

My posts are aimed, I hope, at the more typical Eve mission runner.

We all know that missions are, essentially, 'mining with guns' trying to turn them into something else will, in my view always fail.

Low sec is quite a large area, it could support considerably more mission runners and miners than it does currently. In fact it could support very large numbers if they were sensible enough to band together so they could all chain missions and mine in the same place.

I know a few corps/alliances that do this already, having "taken over" small low sec pockets and dead end systems they constantly run missions and their members mine quite peacefully. However the practice is quite rare, if only because very few "pure" care bears ever really venture into low sec in the first place.

Either way I guess a lot of players would quit if level fours were moved, it would be interesting to see if more players in low sec would bring in new subs to account for them though. Its a pity it would be too risk for CCP to try really, it would be an interesting experiment.

I remember a couple of years ago, our corp wanted to move into low sec to mine etc but in the end we didn't. The reasoning for why we didn't was not because of the pvp WE LOVED pvp we wanted it! but because there was no isk making in low sec.

Now if CCP did move missioning low sec you will find more people will be moving to low sec as they won't care about losing sec status anymore due to being able to make isk on their own doorstep, may it be missioning or ganking or mining to put ships/items & ammo on the market for low sec missioners etc.

Going of all you replies about people will just do level 3 etc, what if CCP increased the income by say 30% on level 4 and 5 missions in low sec?

Actually the main reason we ask for CCP to encourage null/low sec play styles is because we came to Eve expecting a sandbox style MMO, and then discovered there was a giant part of the game with heavy anti-sandbox artificial constraints that contained what many consider "end game" content.

Then, upon venturing into low/null, we found the ISK rewards for the increased hassle were not that great. In fact the only two worthwhile professions in this game, IMHO, are raiding whs and exploration in sov null sec. And even exploration only really seems that profitable to me if you control most of a region.

Beyond that you may as well just dual box incursions in high sec.

Anyway, it isn't as simple as "tears" or some kind of odd computer game bravado, it is merely a matter of game design philosophy. I think the griefer vs. miner thing is really just a misunderstanding, both types of players came to Eve expecting something different, CCP seem to be trying to cater to both of them.

Personally im not sure that's possible.

That's not how they "roll"...

What a great idea if your intention is to lose your high sec population of players that enjoy mission running. Just what CCP needs a loss of customers.

Endgame? when did it start?

End game in the context I used it in was meant as the final style of play, from which some players do not advance or move on. Often repeated ad nauseum until they quit in boredom.

So level fours would qualify, although I still wouldn't support moving them. As would incursions, and many miners never leave high sec either.

I guess I am going to formulate an opinion, or make an educated guess on past events. I seem to remember the last time I was playing we were having this same discussion, and CCP did or was going to do something about it. My guess is it didn't go over very well with I can only assume is the bulk of CCP's player income, which is why we're still talking about it. My guess is you're not going to force people to go where they don't want to go, regardless of the rewards. Case in point, selling drugs on the corner in a bad neighborhood has its risks, but can be very lucrative and rewarding, but you couldn't get the overwhelming majority of people to drive through that part of town let alone live and work there.

If you read my posts you'd see that I don't want them removed.

Personally I'd rather see the sand box brought to high sec, rather than attempt to bring risk averse players into the sand box. If only because hoping they will ever move is futile. Hopefully CCP will manage this somewhat with the war overhaul, I have heard you can't just corp hop or disband and reform to avoid war decs now, as the war follows your members.

Now they just need to introduce a downside to hauling or mining in an NPC corp, the NPC corp tax only applying to bounties and mission income is a bit of an issue IMHO, although I've no idea how you'd extend it to effect miners.