Warfare & Tactics

I love the idea. Maybe then those people would finally understand what a bore EVE singleplayer would be.

Good God -- Enough with the carebear buffs, you folks are playing a PVP game and if you don't like it, leave.

inb4 "waaah it's a sandbox" -- yes it is, and sometimes, there's going to be bigger kids ready to punch you in the mouth, take your trowel and pail and make you eat the cat turd on the north side of the giant, plastic turtle with no cover that is EVE.

If it wer PVP only there would be no PVE content.

That's not correct, either. Ask the hapless Hulkageddon victims who are in NPC corps about that.

I clearly see a difference between PVE and combat PVP.

OMGWTF does this show both sides?

CCP developed the game to entertain both aspects but failed to place the proper pve mechanics to date as they are so busy with the pvp side of things. I carebare highsec and combat pvp lowsec, and therefore want both elements in the game. I stand with fivethirty in that crossing into lowsec is acknowledgement and acceptance of combat pvp, and staying out should guarantee PVE players the ability to play their sand box game the way they want to.

Griefing sucks, its immature, lame, disrespectful and only proves those who do it dont have what it takes to loose their ships in low or null.

I love this game.. and mostly the way it is,

but after reading thread after thread of pve players who loose 6 months of hard work trying to do their own thing while still contributing to the general population via market, manufacturing, etc.. I'm very sympathetic. As a person with limited time to play as it is, i'd be really pissed and probably rage quit also if all I worked for was lost in a few secs before the would be gallant protectors of the so called "Secured Space" actually showed up to protect my ass. CCP didnt intend for high sec to be totally secure, but in my opinion as well as many others, it should be.

One of these days perhaps ill try my hand at industry and see how bad it is or isnt... but for now the problem is quite obvious from the random posts that appear all the time arguing this issue. Simply put, if all of this chatter on the forums arguing over the separation of PVE and PVP really wasn't important to both sides then these posts wouldnt exist. This means there's definitely room for improvement in this game. Eve O in all its glorious features and things to do has got to be the only game that failed in fair pve mechanics while maintaining pve content.

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So..... Theres ample room for the solo player to progress in the games SOLO content eh? Since when does solo gameplay include being ganked in the progress?

CCP has failed to complete this SOLO aspect they talked about. The content is there, but the game mechanic isnt.

SOLO content means things you can accomplish by yourself. It does not mean you get immunity from the rest of the universe on a whim.

Also, if you manage to lose 6 months of work in one go, it is the fault of absolutely nobody but yourself. I do a LOT of industry and there has never been a point where it has been within the realm of possibility for me to lose more than about a week's worth of labor at one time. The game mechanics should never be expected to compensate for unadulterated stupidity.

Furthermore, your PvE activities are having a measurable impact on the rest of the Eve universe. Your missioning is introducing money, modules, LP, and salvage to the economy. Your mining is introducing minerals to the economy. You are actively altering the gameplay experience of other players with your "solo" activities. No, you will never get to do that with complete immunity to interference. Get over it.

Great post.

Ive watched interviews with Soundwave talking about the economy and how its currently breaking like so many other MMO's.
Its unfortunate how hard the game is when it comes to economy currently for those who dont live in the game to make the isk but still want to be a part. This is the problem for the most part as in order to participate in certain facets of the game, certain ships, or equipment is certainly needed which becomes quite costly. This is where the length of time played for some players to achieve this game play becomes a problem when their newly purchased asset disappears in a matter of seconds.

So CCP doesnt control the market and the prices people pay is a product of the marriage between sellers greed, supply and demand, and people caving in on the prices and buying anyways.. While this is complicated and certainly not a discussion for this post, its the inevitable issue for those who want to be left alone to play their way.

If internet space ships didnt cost so much to replace, im sure griefing wouldnt be such a problem.

The beauty of it is that it's not that expensive. People are just more concerned about plexing their account than actually enjoying the game. I have 3 accounts, all paid for with real monies, because I want to keep the game a game and not have to work to play. I play to have fun, not to make enough ISK in a month in order to continue to make enough ISK for the next month. That kind of Tedium is not something I desire in any game, and should the unthinkable happen and I can no longer afford to pay for my accounts, then I take a break. That simple.

I support allowing players to Opt Out of PVP.

Players that do so should not be allowed to:

Own or operate Moon POS - Moons are limited resources that players compete over (PVP)
Place goods on markets - Pricing of goods on markets is a competitive element between players (PVP)
Create/Accept public contracts - Again pricing of contracts is a competitive element between players (PVP)
Trade goods with players who have not elected to opt out of PVP - Interactions between players who have opted out and those who have opted in creates game mechanic imbalance. Best practice would be have NPC alts who opt out of PVP who create items while being invincible to trade with PVP alts.

I have to say Opting out of PVP does not sound like much fun.