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NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#1 - 2012-05-15 12:59:10 UTC  |  Edited by: NickyYo
Thank you,

All you need to do now is two things.


  1. Move level 4 missions to low sec
  2. Stop orca exploiting to gank hulks


Thus satisfying both carebear and pvper.

Thank you for such an amazing game, thanks!
I been playing for 6 years and still going!

..
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#2 - 2012-05-15 13:05:37 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
Thank you,

All you need to do now is two things.


  1. Move level 4 missions to low sec
  2. Stop orca exploiting to gank hulks


Thus satisfying both carebear and pvper.

Thank you for such an amazing game, thanks!
I been playing for 6 years and still going!



Nicky, will you ever make a thread or post that isn't pointless? I only ask because this one brings nothing new, no insights, no suggestions, nothing of any real meaning or consequence except to perhaps satisfy a deep seated need for a hug. Here, have a hug, and stop posting.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#3 - 2012-05-15 13:08:33 UTC
Dear CCP, we could also use some better rails in the threads. Boost rails!

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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#4 - 2012-05-15 13:11:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Talon SilverHawk
How exactly do those changes make both those groups happy ? Think it would achieve the opposite tbh.


Tal
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#5 - 2012-05-15 13:36:58 UTC
I'd be happy to have the North Star back.

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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#6 - 2012-05-15 14:37:10 UTC
I'd be happy to have POS and Corp management made more flexible.

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Henry Haphorn
Killer Yankee
#7 - 2012-05-15 15:17:06 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
Thank you,

All you need to do now is two things.


  1. Move level 4 missions to low sec
  2. Stop orca exploiting to gank hulks


Thus satisfying both carebear and pvper.

Thank you for such an amazing game, thanks!
I been playing for 6 years and still going!


NickyYo, you are making us industrialists look bad.

Adapt or Die.

Oh wait, you don't know how to adapt. Therefore, you must die. Now where did I put that locator agent?

Adapt or Die
Josef Djugashvilis
#8 - 2012-05-15 15:29:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
NickyYo wrote:
Thank you,

All you need to do now is two things.


  1. Move level 4 missions to low sec
  2. Stop orca exploiting to gank hulks


Thus satisfying both carebear and pvper.

Thank you for such an amazing game, thanks!
I been playing for 6 years and still going!


I will explain this once again for the benefit of folk like nickyyo.

1) Missions are done in pve ships.

2) If level 4 missions are moved to lo-sec, mission runners will be attacked by pvp equipped ships and destroyed.

3) Mission runners will make far more isk by completing level 3 missions in hi-sec, than they will by losing ships and not completing level 4 missions in lo-sec.

Given how often this comes up in the forums, some folk may need to read point 3 several times.

Thank you.

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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#9 - 2012-05-15 15:38:53 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
Thank you,

All you need to do ....(stuff).... been playing for 6 years and still going!


6 years. That must be a remarkable set of skills you have trained by now.
Only now you want things to change. To suit you, because you've been playing for 6 years and now you want it your way.
Same old Hubris, wherever I read about requested changes.
That Orca thing is changing soon, but your suggestion of moving level 4 missions to lowsec is just plain stupid. Done all yours now have you ? 6 years later, now please move the level 4 missions out of highsec ? Trying giving your posts a bit more thought.

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Kara Vix
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-05-15 15:45:40 UTC
I run alot of lvl 4s and if I wanted to be in low sec, I would be there already. Trying to force me somewhere I don't wish to be will only achieve me not logging on. You muppets need to stop trying to force your style of gameplay upon others, if you want to go to low sec, have fun, but leave those of us behind that don't want to join you.
NickyYo
modro
The Initiative.
#11 - 2012-05-15 16:04:26 UTC
So many bitter pvpers on here crying about not wanting their mission alts to go in low sec, yet they flame the miners..

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Josef Djugashvilis
#12 - 2012-05-15 16:10:50 UTC
NickyYo wrote:
So many bitter pvpers on here crying about not wanting their mission alts to go in low sec, yet they flame the miners..


How can you have played Eve for so long and understand it so little?

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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-05-15 17:30:18 UTC
even though it has been said a million times.
moving level 4 missions would just make people
A quit
B go to lowsec less
C do level 3 missions instead

some people who live in highsec pvp in lowsec for fun, they do this with money made from lvl 4 missions
they get 500mil from lvl 4 missions, then go lose a ship or 2 in low... come back run more...
people like that would never go anymore so even less people in lowsec....
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#14 - 2012-05-15 18:12:45 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
NickyYo wrote:
Thank you,

All you need to do now is two things.


  1. Move level 4 missions to low sec
  2. Stop orca exploiting to gank hulks


Thus satisfying both carebear and pvper.

Thank you for such an amazing game, thanks!
I been playing for 6 years and still going!


I will explain this once again for the benefit of folk like nickyyo.

1) Missions are done in pve ships.

2) If level 4 missions are moved to lo-sec, mission runners will be attacked by pvp equipped ships and destroyed.

3) Mission runners will make far more isk by completing level 3 missions in hi-sec, than they will by losing ships and not completing level 4 missions in lo-sec.

Given how often this comes up in the forums, some folk may need to read point 3 several times.

Thank you.

Hmm, I don't know if I agree with that. I've run missions a bit in low sec, no one even tried to kill me. Similarly I've found low sec exploration to be equally as risk free, even null sec exploration is relatively easy now we have nullified t3s.

That said however I agree moving level fours is a bad idea, but only because people of a certain mind set would literally quit the game rather than face moving out of high sec. That doesn't mean it isn't possible to run missions in low sec, it just means that some people are too stupid or lazy to learn how.

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#15 - 2012-05-15 18:13:54 UTC
CCP has a lovely bunch of coconuts and huge knockers on their door.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#16 - 2012-05-15 18:18:45 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
NickyYo wrote:
Thank you,

All you need to do now is two things.


  1. Move level 4 missions to low sec
  2. Stop orca exploiting to gank hulks


Thus satisfying both carebear and pvper.

Thank you for such an amazing game, thanks!
I been playing for 6 years and still going!


I will explain this once again for the benefit of folk like nickyyo.

1) Missions are done in pve ships.

2) If level 4 missions are moved to lo-sec, mission runners will be attacked by pvp equipped ships and destroyed.

3) Mission runners will make far more isk by completing level 3 missions in hi-sec, than they will by losing ships and not completing level 4 missions in lo-sec.

Given how often this comes up in the forums, some folk may need to read point 3 several times.

Thank you.


The obvious solution is to make missions varied and challenging enough to require PVP fits and tactics to fly successfully.

It would be somewhat like the plot of "The Last Starfighter". In this case your PVE missions are actually just a training simulation that is actually preparing you for PVP combat. Big smile

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Josef Djugashvilis
#17 - 2012-05-15 18:30:24 UTC
If level 4 missions were changed so that they were more suited to pvp fits, then moving them to lo-sec would be less problematic.

The risk might be that the missions never get completed as it would turn into a pvp fight most of the time.

So, again it would be less hassle for the mission runner to stick to level 3 missions in hi-sec.

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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#18 - 2012-05-15 18:37:25 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
If level 4 missions were changed so that they were more suited to pvp fits, then moving them to lo-sec would be less problematic.

The risk might be that the missions never get completed as it would turn into a pvp fight most of the time.

So, again it would be less hassle for the mission runner to stick to level 3 missions in hi-sec.

I think the inherent issues with balancing NPCs that try and act like players would be more of an issue to be honest.

I mean, how would you deal with alts? How would the NPCs tell alts from aggressors? How would the servers handle the extra load of globally advanced AI (something CCP have said in the past stops them adding sleeper AI to missions)? How would you balance the missions for expensive fits and cheap fits alike? How would the AI be even remotely challenging if you know the NPC and can counter its fit, if you don't know the NPC then it will have the counter to your fit an appreciable amount of the time and you'll die.

The idea of making PvE like PvP is novel, but it is naive and poorly thought through.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#19 - 2012-05-15 18:49:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
If level 4 missions were changed so that they were more suited to pvp fits, then moving them to lo-sec would be less problematic.

The risk might be that the missions never get completed as it would turn into a pvp fight most of the time.

So, again it would be less hassle for the mission runner to stick to level 3 missions in hi-sec.

I think the inherent issues with balancing NPCs that try and act like players would be more of an issue to be honest.

I mean, how would you deal with alts? How would the NPCs tell alts from aggressors? How would the servers handle the extra load of globally advanced AI (something CCP have said in the past stops them adding sleeper AI to missions)? How would you balance the missions for expensive fits and cheap fits alike? How would the AI be even remotely challenging if you know the NPC and can counter its fit, if you don't know the NPC then it will have the counter to your fit an appreciable amount of the time and you'll die.

The idea of making PvE like PvP is novel, but it is naive and poorly thought through.


Actually it's been discussed for many years now, and Sleeper and Incursions are the first steps towards making that a reality. I don't recall CCP ever saying that techically such a thing was not possible.

To give NPC"s a variety of fits and tactics that might randomly be generated isn't a very big step from what we have now technically, however the problem is that mission runners would not be able to farm those missions effectively solo, and thus would be very unpopular. If a given mission can't be looked up on the net for the details of how to beat it, it would be avoided.

Now if the missions that DO require a team to do effectively were made profitable enough for a group to consider it good money to attempt (like Incursions) some people would gradually warm up to them... the quesiton is how many out of the general population of mission runners that would be.

Most people seem to object strenuously to anything unexpected happening while they are busy running missions, and balk at any need to split potential profits with others.

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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#20 - 2012-05-15 19:03:18 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
NickyYo wrote:
Thank you,

All you need to do now is two things.


  1. Move level 4 missions to low sec
  2. Stop orca exploiting to gank hulks


Thus satisfying both carebear and pvper.

Thank you for such an amazing game, thanks!
I been playing for 6 years and still going!


I will explain this once again for the benefit of folk like nickyyo.

1) Missions are done in pve ships.

2) If level 4 missions are moved to lo-sec, mission runners will be attacked by pvp equipped ships and destroyed.

3) Mission runners will make far more isk by completing level 3 missions in hi-sec, than they will by losing ships and not completing level 4 missions in lo-sec.

Given how often this comes up in the forums, some folk may need to read point 3 several times.

Thank you.


So why is it that I can run level 4's and 5's solo in lowsec? Does it have something to do with using non battleship-class ships for better agility or simply the 360 scanner? Why is it that I can run any level 4 in a pvp fitting?

Oh right; I fly a Tengu.
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