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Wormholes are too easy/safe

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#61 - 2012-05-14 13:48:10 UTC
Yes, you can avoid opening your static. However, it's entirely possible for multiple holes to open in your system in a very short period of time. Recently had three K162s open in 30 minutes. Things got...hectic.

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Chrisfaren
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2012-05-14 14:04:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Chrisfaren
4 pages of this? guess I'll post a reply allso then...

A wormhole will have one or more static holes, this means you will allways have a exit or more. Howevere as written many times before, these will only "open" when you initiate warp towards them, thus making it probeable as a K162 wherver it might spawn on the other side.

Yes, if you are able to controll your wormhole it is relatively safe, keeping "closed" wormholes only. BUT, you can never know when you get a incoming hole, or more. This will happen allmost dayly. And they might probe down your static and open it and your day of playing may be ruined :p

After living in a wormhole for quite some time I have gotten used to spamming d-scan all the time, it comes natural, this way you can sometimes pick up a unknown ship or probe and you knnow you have visitors. Most of us will allso pop a probe out every 15 minutes or so to check for new signatures.

Living in a WH is not easy mode by far. But it can be made comfortable with the methods mentioned above.

Having the wormholes allways open in both ends will basically just make it "known space" without local. In other words HELL compared to the rest of eve.

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Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#63 - 2012-05-14 17:46:26 UTC
Is there some kind of known frequency or bias in the incoming vs outgoing wormholes?
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#64 - 2012-05-14 18:04:16 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Is there some kind of known frequency or bias in the incoming vs outgoing wormholes?


They usually come at night.

Usually.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#65 - 2012-05-14 18:06:33 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Is there some kind of known frequency or bias in the incoming vs outgoing wormholes?


They usually come at night.

Usually.



lol , but seriously , anybody know a bias in the entry exit ratios?
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2012-05-14 18:29:02 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Is there some kind of known frequency or bias in the incoming vs outgoing wormholes?


They usually come at night.

Usually.



lol , but seriously , anybody know a bias in the entry exit ratios?


Aside from the statics? 1:1 since an entry WH is someone elses EXIT?
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#67 - 2012-05-14 18:36:33 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Is there some kind of known frequency or bias in the incoming vs outgoing wormholes?


They usually come at night.

Usually.



lol , but seriously , anybody know a bias in the entry exit ratios?


Aside from the statics? 1:1 since an entry WH is someone elses EXIT?


Isn't the K162 the generic exit? Sometimes it is empire facing sometimes it is inbound to the W-space system.

Isn't that how it works? K162 end is the exit and the other side is the are incomming, so on that basis, what is that bias in which side is the K162's? Do I understand it correctly?
Splodger
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2012-05-14 18:40:47 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Is there some kind of known frequency or bias in the incoming vs outgoing wormholes?


They usually come at night.

Usually.


lol love it
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#69 - 2012-05-14 18:41:29 UTC
Splodger wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Is there some kind of known frequency or bias in the incoming vs outgoing wormholes?


They usually come at night.

Usually.


lol love it



What is day and what is night in space?
Splodger
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2012-05-14 18:50:36 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Splodger wrote:
Bernie Nator wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Is there some kind of known frequency or bias in the incoming vs outgoing wormholes?


They usually come at night.

Usually.


lol love it



What is day and what is night in space?


Miilla, i dont know if your serious about whole wormhole space malarky, but I suggest a good start would be Lorkin Desal's guide.

k162 is indeed the exit, the rest is speculation on %'s of inc and outgoing but some people have solid theories... but then again they are just that... theories. RNG is RNG
Olan Chang
Perkone
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-05-14 18:51:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Olan Chang
As far as I know, all sigs work like that, they will only be initiated if someone warp to then. It indeed makes things easier when running site in your wormhole; close all incoming wh, close your static, you can be sure your static doesn't lead anywhere.

Note that you can rely on the static being close only in your own system since we lost the jump stats. In the past, if there were no k162 wormhole (except the one you used) and no jump in the last 24 hours, you knew the static was closed. Nowadays, you have to assume all static wormhole, other than your own, are open, and you can't always reroll wormholes far away from your home.

However, even if all statics were always open, it wouldn't make w-space more dangerous. You would just need to reroll for a quiet system and keep a picket there looking for probes on d-scan. The real danger are the fresh incoming wormholes that you don't have yet the position, that a fleet might used to drop on your sieged dreads and triaged carriers in the next minute.
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#72 - 2012-05-14 20:10:54 UTC
Allow me a minute to do a basic breakdown of hole classifications.

All holes begin somewhere and pop out at another. Let's say you've warped to a hole in high sec and it reads "Wormhole R943". You do a quick info check on it and it tells you that this wormhole has about a day left and has not been destabilized. The numbers tell you that this is where the hole's beginning was. Without even jumping in, the hole on the other side will be a k162. K162 is the classification given to all wormhole ends. This is where having a basic knowledge of wormhole space comes in handy. A k162 from hi, low and null does not need to be warped to for it to spawn into a wormhole. However, a wormhole in wormhole space does need to be warped to for it to form a connection to another system.

This is why you have to check every new signature that your prober catches on scan. The likelihood of a new signature being a k162 is fairly high, although it doesn't have to be a k162. It could just be a periodic hole leading out to a different system. Hence why checking the classification on the hole is important.

I trust this will help enlighten people that aren't sure on how connections work.
Phrank Phish
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-05-14 20:10:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Phrank Phish
Miilla wrote:
Isn't that how it works? K162 end is the exit and the other side is the are incomming, so on that basis, what is that bias in which side is the K162's? Do I understand it correctly?


A K162 is the arse end of another wormhole, every other type (whatever the code) spawns a K162 at its destination.

EG: Your C2 - C4 should be a y683 in your system but on the C4 side it will be a k162. Because the back end is allways a k162

While a C4 - C2 will be an N766 hole in the C4 but in your C2 it will be a K162 because now your system is the rear end.

You could go through every system and count up how many statics open to how many destinations (not counting the random spawns) and work out the likelyhood of chains (c4+ tend to come down through C3- to reach empire, so your more likely to get traffic) to come up with a number of possible incoming holes.

Or, just assume K162's will be opening at random and deal with them when they arrive.

Edit: Forgot to add, K162's are allways a size 10, while other holes can range in size from 10 to 2.2. And with practice you can tell where a hole goes just by its colour. C1 dark blue with green verticle stripe, C2 dark blue, C3 white, C4 green, C5 orange, C6 red.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#74 - 2012-05-14 20:13:59 UTC
Phrank Phish wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Isn't that how it works? K162 end is the exit and the other side is the are incomming, so on that basis, what is that bias in which side is the K162's? Do I understand it correctly?


A K162 is the arse end of another wormhole, every other type (whatever the code) spawns a K162 at its destination.

EG: Your C2 - C4 should be a y683 in your system but on the C4 side it will be a k162. Because the back end is allways a k162

While a C4 - C2 will be an N766 hole in the C4 but in your C2 it will be a K162 because now your system is the rear end.

You could go through every system and count up how many statics open to how many destinations (not counting the random spawns) and work out the likelyhood of chains (c4+ tend to come down through C3- to reach empire, so your more likely to get traffic) to come up with a number of possible incoming holes.

Or, just assume K162's will be opening at random and deal with them when they arrive.


That's what I said, K162's are the exits of wormholes, hence theyre called generic exits, they are the outbound side of a spawned wormhole.

I seem to find more OUTGOING (non K162's from inside the W-space system) than INCOMING (k162 inside my w-system from outside). Just wondering if that was the way it was in most cases.
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#75 - 2012-05-14 20:19:06 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Phrank Phish wrote:
Miilla wrote:
Isn't that how it works? K162 end is the exit and the other side is the are incomming, so on that basis, what is that bias in which side is the K162's? Do I understand it correctly?


A K162 is the arse end of another wormhole, every other type (whatever the code) spawns a K162 at its destination.

EG: Your C2 - C4 should be a y683 in your system but on the C4 side it will be a k162. Because the back end is allways a k162

While a C4 - C2 will be an N766 hole in the C4 but in your C2 it will be a K162 because now your system is the rear end.

You could go through every system and count up how many statics open to how many destinations (not counting the random spawns) and work out the likelyhood of chains (c4+ tend to come down through C3- to reach empire, so your more likely to get traffic) to come up with a number of possible incoming holes.

Or, just assume K162's will be opening at random and deal with them when they arrive.


That's what I said, K162's are the exits of wormholes, hence theyre called generic exits, they are the outbound side of a spawned wormhole.

I seem to find more OUTGOING (non K162's from inside the W-space system) than INCOMING (k162 inside my w-system from outside). Just wondering if that was the way it was in most cases.


Sometimes systems can get a decent number of incoming k162s and others it can get a large number of periodics. The most I've seen in a day is 7, but it might be possible for more to exist. I imagine its how holes are coded.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#76 - 2012-05-15 12:15:28 UTC
Doesn't know how wormholes work, attempt to make claims about wormhole space

lol
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#77 - 2012-05-15 12:17:48 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Doesn't know how wormholes work, attempt to make claims about wormhole space

lol

I feel a link to an advice meme coming on...
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#78 - 2012-05-15 13:59:54 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
I feel a link to an advice meme coming on...


knows nothing about wormholes...

http://www.wormholes.info
El Geo
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#79 - 2012-05-16 16:24:35 UTC
look up arek'jaalen projects (like compass and snapshot)
personally, i cant see how you would make a door without an exit (logic says one can't exist without the other)

for those of you trying to say that you know this 'fact' that k162's only spawn when the other side is warped to LOL, you have no facts, you have only your opinion

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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#80 - 2012-05-16 17:18:23 UTC
El Geo wrote:
for those of you trying to say that you know this 'fact' that k162's only spawn when the other side is warped to LOL, you have no facts, you have only your opinion


Sure...if you ignore the evidence posted on this thread and the Arek'Jalaan project, sure.

http://www.wormholes.info