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^^ This.

Also, I do have some changes to help your cause. First, suiciding gankers recieve higher sec status hits, and when they're sec status is low enough that they can be shot at in highsec (or during their GCC) their pod should be destroyable by other players without penalty. Simple solution.

Aso for people can flipping. Just make the pop-up that comes up telling you that they will be able to shoot at you if you take stuff from that can clearer.

Abso-f***ing-lutely.

I can't beleive that players with huge bounties get to be protected by CONCORD still.
Add in bounty payable on killing the pod ith someone with a bounty in it.

Lot more people who have been up to mischief would be dying ... which is good.

It's just a fact that there isn't enough talent in the game industry to put together two good teams. I'm sure the three that CCP has going are very interested to hear which two you think are ****.

Also, valve called. Their feelings are hurt.



You are the dumbest person I've ever met.

Nobody can become as far gone as you are without being willfully, purposefully ignorant, so I know better than to hope; but if you ever get the urge to stop being so wrong in two sentences or less you should consider starting here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_supply

Dire you seem to think that everything is peachy in EVE.

How is it that in the Highsec Ice belt I was in just before, a single catalyst with a T2 fit and T2 ammo managed to (a) kill and exhumer, (b) pod the pilot of the exhumer, and (c) take away the podded pilots frozen corpse, all with Concord mumbling sweet nothings at them?

Broken is broken, stop making excuses for bad game design. EVE has been underperforming for years as a commercial game, and owes its survival mostly to imitation games being complete crap. You are so strenuously attacking the OP that the simple inference to take is that you are worried what she has said is actually correct.

Time will tell, but at the moment the odds are firmly stacked in favour of the gankers. Another poster correctly called it: the real problem is Concord rules are screwed up: they should web and scramble pods of gankers, not just kill their ships. That would make things more interesting.

Grace,

I fear getting drawn into a tit for tat argument where the only purpose is to have the final word. I’ve also reached the end of my basic claim: EvE is working as intended. I like our brutal universe where innocence isn’t automatic protection and villainy isn’t automatically impossible. Long term players generally understand this as “getting EvE.” Youngish players are often shocked to discover it. Perhaps these youngish players were expecting the mere appearance of a dark and dangerous universe, not an actual dark and dangerous universe.

Re: Ice belt murder
Lacking specifics, I can’t comment insightfully. Perhaps the ganker and ice miner were at war? Did the ganker filch the corpse or did the ganker’s spotter do it? (Suicide gankers aren’t necessarily working alone.) Are you sure Concord delivered no retribution? (Perhaps retribution was delivered off grid when the ganker dropped out of warp.)

Re: “Broken is broken . . .”
I must don my mocking cloak:
“Dear CCP, you only produce the best game in your market niche. Your imitators produce comparative crap. I am most displeased. You should be producing God’s own MMOG. If you don't buck up and produce God's own MMOG, you will die. I predict death at 2:03 PM next Tuesday.”

Re: “simple inference . . .”
I retain my mocking cloak:
Simple Indeed – Simple Minded

Re: “Concord . . . should web and scramble pods of gankers . . .”
You presume this would disturb the Suicide Ganker. The most annoying thing about it I see would be if some kindly White Knight didn’t come along to release said ganker from their scrambled on grid detention. “No problem,” says the spotter, “I’ll pod the ganker and endear myself to the locals as their on grid White Knight.”

Re: “everything is peachy in EVE”
Absolutely peachy? No. But definitely apricot and very close to nectarine. Promised changes in the Crimewatch mechanics may have tremendous affects on Suicide Ganking. Criminals will adapt. CareBears will whine anew. It's a beautiful thing.

I leave the final word victory to others,
DireNecessity

Your faith in game dev's ability to learn from past blunders is so cute. So too the blind optimism of some in the thread that CCPS is happy that EVE keeps failing to meet its potential, despite their attempts to increase its appeal to pave players who are not in love with spreadsheets.

Accountants in space, how the accountants adore thee.

Aw, cute...a spineless, one-line meme-regurgitator who can't contribute anything to the discussion.

Play at the kiddies table until you learn how to comport yourself, sonny.


OP: I'm sorry, but I just can't agree with you. You're asking to take away some of the most basic things that make EVE great. I can understand your reasoning and the thoughts behind it, but it's just not personally to my taste.

People that hate sandbox games, shouldn't play sandbox games.

I agree that mining is one of the most important venues of income for new players, and that griefing miners in general poses a problem for the introduction of new players to the game.

That said, new players rarely fly hulks. If you find a new player in a hulk, it's usually the alt of an older player. If a new player spends a PLEX getting into a hulk ASAP then he is making a mistake. You shouldn't get into a ship until you have the proper skills and experience to fly it well.

At the core of all this is the dreadful mining mechanic in EVE. It's been dull since 2003, and it mostly attracts players who play EVE in the background while doing something else, which is why it's so easy to gank them.

Fix the dull mining mechanic, make it interesting, fun and involved, and the amount of high-sec miner ganks will drop very fast. Hell, if it's cool enough you might even see some bored PVP'ers try their hand at it.

There are a lot of people who play the game in NPC corporations or small mining corporations. They might not have pilots who can fly logistics ships, and even if they do, it doesn't help much against alpha-damage suicide ganks.

As those of you who don't know or understand the concept, alpha damage means you destroy the hulk with the first volley of shots, meaning there will be no time to engage rep cycles.