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Which boat for lvl4 missions
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Orlacc
#41 - 2012-05-13 01:39:16 UTC
The Rattlesnake should be renamed "The Narcoleptic." Even with top skills it takes forever to finish a level 4, completely ruining isk per hour. I prefer a Machariel for fast efficient missioning.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2012-05-13 11:45:38 UTC
It all depends.

Missioning against kinetic weak rats 90% of the time - tegnu is good but eats through ammo.
Plan on moving or don't mission against kin weak - raven or scorpion hull will pull ahead with selectable damage types.
Kalli Brixzat
#43 - 2012-05-14 17:46:36 UTC
In my experience, this is what you want for mission speed-running (top 5):

1. Machariel
2. Tengu
3. CNR
4. Vargur
5. Nightmare (#1 vs. EM/Therm-weak rats)
Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-05-14 18:21:31 UTC
It's not all about speed, which is why I love my rattlesnake.

With excellent skills, it's a great mission boat. After the summer patch and the introduction of drone damage mods, it will be even nicer.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#45 - 2012-05-14 19:26:59 UTC
lets just say there is a reason why the rattlesnake is by far the cheapest pirate faction bs....

a ton of the tengu's tank comes from damage reduction, its small and fast. you can hit all the triggers and just keep going (taki out webbers can be required)

tengu and cnr are both very awesome. imo can't be wrong with either. but it would make sense to try out the missions in a cheaper drake or raven just so you don't get burned too hard if you lose a ship.

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Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-05-14 22:11:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Five Thirty
Cheapest generally means least popular. It doesn't mean bad. It is my opinion that it is cheapest partly due to the fact that nobody used rattlesnakes for incursions. Because incursions generated additional demand for Machs and Vindis, their price rose considerably.

Considering you want to have good drone skills, as well as missile and shield skills to fly a rattlesnake well, perhaps the training time is too prohibitive when you can skill into a mach or vindi quite a bit faster?
Leetha Layne
#47 - 2012-05-15 02:24:56 UTC
It's a question of play style. Some like to go in guns blazing, others don't mind taking an hour to fly a mission as long as it is relatively risk free.
Nuela
WoT Misfits
#48 - 2012-05-15 18:45:06 UTC
marVLs wrote:
July Oumis wrote:
Performance --------SP required:

Tengu : 8/10 -------- 5/10
Drake : 3/10 -------- 4/10
Nighthawk : 6/10 -------- 9/10
Raven : 5/10 -------- 7/10
Navy Raven : 7/10 -------- 7/10
Golem :8/10 -------- 9/10


Nope, Raven Navy 9/10 in terms of perf, it finish 90% of missions faster than tengu, it's known fact



I have down extensive missioning in the tengu, Navy Raven and Golem...and Navy Raven is my favorite. The Tengu is a fine boat and probably about equal to the Navy Raven so it comes down to preference. The Golem?.... ahhh no.
Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#49 - 2012-05-15 23:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Cloned S0ul
Ishanmae wrote:
July Oumis wrote:
Performance --------SP required:

Tengu : 8/10 -------- 5/10
Drake : 3/10 -------- 4/10
Nighthawk : 6/10 -------- 9/10
Raven : 5/10 -------- 7/10
Navy Raven : 7/10 -------- 7/10
Golem :8/10 -------- 9/10


Nice list, but you should factor in the price element....

Tengu only performs that well with faction and deadspace mods...

You can have a full T2 Nighthawk (including rigs) for about 450M.

Thus why it is my ship of choice, despite being more skill intensive and not performing as well as a Tengu... I'm not lacking in skills, but in playtime to make the cash for the shinies Blink

It's down to a matter of balance and personal preference in the end!


Is possible to run lvl4 with some cheap stuf, i use tengu with t2 med shield booster, named shield amplifer 2x t2 invuls + named em hardener + ab ,ccc rigs (cap stable) t2 heavy launcher, 680dps with fury missile, and it work so great that i always got full shield without faction items, im abble to tank all spawns form the assault lvl 4 or pirate invasion etc, tengu it self got awesome bonuses to shileld boost and speed around 680m/s, aglility is compared to t2 frigates... good range and scan resolution, for me is ultimate all in one ship, somtime i think this ship is overpowerd...

To get super tank on Battleship player need somthing like gist c xl etc bs got low scan resolution, speed and crap agility... Faction bs with good faction items cost more than tengu.

Well is depend game style i prefer faster ships with fast lock than flying cow.
Tredegar
JT Investments LLC
#50 - 2012-05-16 12:06:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tredegar
I use a Cerberus for my L4 mission running. But I do mission running as a hobby and not as a main source of income.
Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#51 - 2012-05-16 23:00:22 UTC
Nuela wrote:
marVLs wrote:
[quote=July Oumis]

Nope, Raven Navy 9/10 in terms of perf, it finish 90% of missions faster than tengu, it's known fact



I have down extensive missioning in the tengu, Navy Raven and Golem...and Navy Raven is my favorite. The Tengu is a fine boat and probably about equal to the Navy Raven so it comes down to preference. The Golem?.... ahhh no.


This, people give the Tengu wayyy too much credit when it comes to L4s, Navy Ravens are just as good with a much lower price tag, however you need T2 cruise to milk the maximum performance out of a N.Raven which is a long and niche skill, as opposed to T2 Heavies which is the best non-support missile skill.

Golem is micro-hell with 60+km capped range, and Torps suck worse than Cruise, combined with huge training time, I never bothered.
Kalpel
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-05-19 05:45:36 UTC
Mr Chili Palmer wrote:
As above i belive i am coming close to been able to run some lvl4 missions, what boat is suitable for this from the caldari shipyards? i am thinking a Raven

thanks


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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#53 - 2012-05-19 22:02:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Pohbis
Dato Koppla wrote:
[This, people give the Tengu wayyy too much credit when it comes to L4s, Navy Ravens are just as good with a much lower price tag, however you need T2 cruise to milk the maximum performance out of a N.Raven which is a long and niche skill, as opposed to T2 Heavies which is the best non-support missile skill.

Golem is micro-hell with 60+km capped range, and Torps suck worse than Cruise, combined with huge training time, I never bothered.

Price difference between a L4 Tengu and a CNR is about 30-50m. So not much lower actually, and you do need T2 cruises as you said - while T2 heavies are much more used on various ship hulls. For a pure mission runner I guess that doesn't matter really tho.

If you have T2 cruises, the CNR offers more flexibility in terms of damage types and damage resists.

The Tengu makes dealing with large amounts of frigates easier tho, and the speed tank is achievable with just T2 mods.

It all depends what kinda missions you get the most.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#54 - 2012-05-20 05:39:36 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
This, people give the Tengu wayyy too much credit when it comes to L4s, Navy Ravens are just as good with a much lower price tag, however you need T2 cruise to milk the maximum performance out of a N.Raven which is a long and niche skill, as opposed to T2 Heavies which is the best non-support missile skill.

Golem is micro-hell with 60+km capped range, and Torps suck worse than Cruise, combined with huge training time, I never bothered.


it deserves a lot of credit though. tanks full room aggro so you can hit every trigger asap and get the blitz done (or swap to fofs). also much more agile than a battleship so you get there and back faster. granted it is a bit of an ammo hose, loses dps when not using kinetic, and can get higher dps from battleships so if you go for a full clear a battleship hull will probably win. navy raven does about the same launcher dps as a tengu, but it can swap to any damage type and it gets a drone bay.

with skills and implants the golem is pretty nice. works quite well for some missions. although 3 tp does get annoying after a bit, and the limited range can result in some fall asleep moments. rage torps are just shibby when you can use them, but that is pretty rare. as said elsewhere, golem is the meh of the marauders Sad

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Nikodiemus
Ganja Clade
Shadow Cartel
#55 - 2012-05-20 14:57:02 UTC
I used to use either a Drake or a Raven to do missions but once I switched to the Tengu I would never look back. The thing spews missiles and can speed tank like nobody's business, also helps getting between accel. gates faster. The tank is a beast too if you fit it properly. I would go Tengu over Golem or CNR any day.

Also invest in CN BCU, they are relatively cheap and give a huge boost to your damage.
Lucas41
SOMACOM
#56 - 2012-05-20 16:56:41 UTC
As someone who has flown Navy Ravens, Navy Scorps and Tengus they all have their own drawbacks. Ultimately the decision is going to come down to style of play. For my 2 cents get a Navy Scorp now and a Tengu later on down the road. If isk is a problem start at the Raven and work your way up.
Byron Squared
FCI Solvents
#57 - 2012-05-22 03:23:21 UTC
Can't say I have spent much time in a Tengu but as someone with 3 BS to V etc a NM is MUCH faster than a Cruise CNR with Rigor rigs even on angels......1200 DPS with implants really dwarfs the others. And if you kill the small things while they approach you do full or near full damage on small targets.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#58 - 2012-05-22 23:34:20 UTC
Byron Squared wrote:
Can't say I have spent much time in a Tengu but as someone with 3 BS to V etc a NM is MUCH faster than a Cruise CNR with Rigor rigs even on angels......1200 DPS with implants really dwarfs the others. And if you kill the small things while they approach you do full or near full damage on small targets.


I have to agree, a navy raven performance is not even close to a Nightmare or mach.
I Accidentally YourShip
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2012-05-24 22:36:33 UTC
1. Machariel
2. Nightmare/Vindicator (rat type may make them superior options to Machariel for full clears)
3. Kronos
4. Vargur

Special Tengu mention for blitzing mission triggers while tanking outrageous dps.

Nothing else stands out as exceptional, not the Raven, not the CNR, they are both mediocre in comparison to anything on this list, even when the above ships fight outside of their rat weak type.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#60 - 2012-05-25 19:11:30 UTC
I suspect people might give you a bit of stick for putting the Kronos above the Vargur, but it is an excellent ship, a complete beast since the Rail fix.

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