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Shortage of scimitar builders ?
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CriticalHurt
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-05-11 12:47:21 UTC
it looks like there is a shortage of scimitars builders why is that ?
De Guillaume
THORN Syndicate
Northern Coalition.
#2 - 2012-05-11 12:52:26 UTC
part of my grand plan Twisted

Has you ever went so far as chose to go even use want to look more like do?
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-05-11 19:34:38 UTC
Time to unload my stockpile of 5000 units !
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#4 - 2012-05-12 02:35:55 UTC
..you mean Skimatar? Smile

Nope, not me. Can't see a good reason to either. Shield repper, paper-thin, everyone armor tanks in PvP, logi's are not much use in Wormholes or PvP. Now if it was a Guardian...
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Boomhaur
#5 - 2012-05-12 04:37:52 UTC
I haven't seen a scimatar since I've flown one when I was a noob and didn't know any better. Mabey noobs are smarter than I was when I first started playing and I doubt these things sell that well.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.
Terajima Kazumi
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-05-12 07:13:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Terajima Kazumi
You guys are kind of clueless (the two posters above me). Trade volume for Scimitars in Jita is roughly equal to trade volume for the other three logistics hulls combined and scimitars remain competitive elsewhere (predictably, racial hulls become more competitive in their respective racial hubs, though volume is poor outside of Jita).

I stick to nullsec so I don't know what the lowsec guys like to use these days, but in nullsec, shield fleets are rather popular and Scimitars are preferred over Basilisks; there's certainly plenty of demand for Scimitars, which is consistent with observed trade volume.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#7 - 2012-05-12 18:14:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Mars Theran
I always just assumed Null built their own Logis and the like. Why would they have any impact on Jita trade volume except for toys and resources?

Not that I've ever looked at the trade volume of Scimitars, but I haven't ever seen one outside of an Alliance video. Basilisks tend to be favored for wormholes where shields matter, but only for PvP or lower class WH sleepers. Never seen a Scimitar used for Logi in Highsec or Lowsec that I can recall; not even for station games, but I don't get out much these days.

Guardians are, or were, used fairly often for Incursions as I recall, with a lot of the successful Incursion runners using armor. From other thread, I gather they still do. Most small gang warfare I've seen in Lowsec, (Pirates et al), are using Amarr or Gallente Armor, or they are using Minmatar which are often armor tanked.

The exceptions being Drakes and Falcons for the most part. That is just what I've seen though and it's hard to make a statement that nobody uses anything else anywhere.

Null of course has massive Drake fleets, Mael Fleets, etc.. but those are Null and I don't expect to see Alliance shopping at the local Wal-Mart.
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Javajunky
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-05-12 18:29:00 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
I always just assumed Null built their own Logis and the like. Why would they have any impact on Jita trade volume except for toys and resources?

Not that I've ever looked at the trade volume of Scimitars, but I haven't ever seen one outside of an Alliance video. Basilisks tend to be favored for wormholes where shields matter, but only for PvP or lower class WH sleepers. Never seen a Scimitar used for Logi in Highsec or Lowsec that I can recall; not even for station games, but I don't get out much these days.

Guardians are, or were, used fairly often for Incursions as I recall, with a lot of the successful Incursion runners using armor. From other thread, I gather they still do. Most small gang warfare I've seen in Lowsec, (Pirates et al), are using Amarr or Gallente Armor, or they are using Minmatar which are often armor tanked.

The exceptions being Drakes and Falcons for the most part. That is just what I've seen though and it's hard to make a statement that nobody uses anything else anywhere.

Null of course has massive Drake fleets, Mael Fleets, etc.. but those are Null and I don't expect to see Alliance shopping at the local Wal-Mart.


You are quite mistaken, you dont see them because they are on empire alts so they don't get targeted but null sec is not building as much as you'd like to think especailly T2, there's very little T2 production in null sec just due to needing an array of moon goo products and weighing opportuntiy costs.
SmugLord
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-05-13 11:54:52 UTC
Confirming must null alliances buy all the ships in jita Big smile
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#10 - 2012-05-14 23:15:26 UTC
Javajunky wrote:
Mars Theran wrote:
I always just assumed Null built their own Logis and the like. Why would they have any impact on Jita trade volume except for toys and resources?

Not that I've ever looked at the trade volume of Scimitars, but I haven't ever seen one outside of an Alliance video. Basilisks tend to be favored for wormholes where shields matter, but only for PvP or lower class WH sleepers. Never seen a Scimitar used for Logi in Highsec or Lowsec that I can recall; not even for station games, but I don't get out much these days.

Guardians are, or were, used fairly often for Incursions as I recall, with a lot of the successful Incursion runners using armor. From other thread, I gather they still do. Most small gang warfare I've seen in Lowsec, (Pirates et al), are using Amarr or Gallente Armor, or they are using Minmatar which are often armor tanked.

The exceptions being Drakes and Falcons for the most part. That is just what I've seen though and it's hard to make a statement that nobody uses anything else anywhere.

Null of course has massive Drake fleets, Mael Fleets, etc.. but those are Null and I don't expect to see Alliance shopping at the local Wal-Mart.


You are quite mistaken, you dont see them because they are on empire alts so they don't get targeted but null sec is not building as much as you'd like to think especailly T2, there's very little T2 production in null sec just due to needing an array of moon goo products and weighing opportuntiy costs.


I think you mean manpower, otherwise that makes little sense. Outsourcing makes sense on manpower mainly. Since building should be fundamentaly easier and cheaper in null, with less barriers of entry.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#11 - 2012-05-14 23:42:10 UTC
Anyone and their mother can build in highsec.

No roles required, no pos modules, no outpost upgrades, plenty of free slots.

And 70% of the character population (Not saying accounts. Only people who can give an accurate breakdown of that are CCP)

Oh, and Jita. Might be a little pricier than out in Null, but you can get /everything/ you need.

Low to no barrier to entry. Null requires more thought.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-05-15 00:48:20 UTC
Caleb Ayrania wrote:


I think you mean manpower, otherwise that makes little sense. Outsourcing makes sense on manpower mainly. Since building should be fundamentaly easier and cheaper in null, with less barriers of entry.



T2 Building is not easier in 0.0. Those of you who have done medium scale invention will know the difficulty in gaining slots. Those of you who have done production will know you end up importing such a high proportion of the materials that you might as well have dropped corp with the production alt and done it in empire.