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Advice Needed: How to run C5 sites with a C2 mass limit
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Indorian
Dominations Vanguard
Something Really Pretentious
#1 - 2012-05-14 16:39:44 UTC
My corp lives in a c2 with a c5 static. We are having trouble finding a good, mass happy, fleet comp to run the lower end anoms in our c5. I am assuming someone has tried this before. We have between 5-10 active pilots on at the same time, with SP going between basic t1 BS to T3s. Does anyone have ideas? Will a RR BS gang work? I'd hate to have us get stranded in the C5.
Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#2 - 2012-05-14 16:41:26 UTC
5 RR Tengus + Noctis
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-05-14 16:45:33 UTC
tengus

I should buy an Ishtar.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#4 - 2012-05-14 17:52:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Always keep a backup "last man out" scanner alt in the C5 when running. Not sure off the top of my head what a C2 outbound link to a C5 is but I'm assuming N062 which would have a reasonable amount of mass for battleships but they aren't the ideal ship for a C5 - although armor/energy spider repping domis with sentry drones can also do it and cheaper than tengus.

As mentioned above RR tengus are the stock way to do C5 sites unescalated but if you've got a few people and a gangbooster (not essential but makes it a lot easier) then it may be possible and quite effective to do it with 3 logis, huginn/rapier for webbing small stuff (and possibly energy xfer backup for logis) and some shield gank oracles.

EDIT: Also can put a probe launcher on the huginn/rapier for extra scanning redundancy.
Indorian
Dominations Vanguard
Something Really Pretentious
#5 - 2012-05-14 18:17:46 UTC
The majority of my pilots are months away from a Tengu, so i'm looking for a less skill intensive way of doing it, It doesn't need to be pretty, it just needs to work. Can Basi/Scimi stay cap stable enough to pull it off? What tank resists/ehp/dps ratio should i be looking for? I use a N062 hole so I do feel I would be able to field some BS however if you guys are saying the BS are just huge sitting ducks i'll need to figure something else out.
Ryday
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-05-14 18:26:39 UTC
If you don't have five RR Tengus pilots online then two Guardians for an armor fleet or two Basilisks for a Shield fleet work fine. All ships must have 80%+ omni-resists with about 35k+ ehp. Tier 3 BCs are typically a bad idea in a C5. However, Rooks are a decent choice to reduce incoming dps.

You should always have a dedicated scout when ratting so getting stuck shouldn't be an issue. If you were desperate for more dps, you could put a probe launcher (and cloak) on your salvaging ship to act as "scout".

I assume this is your home:
http://www.wormnav.com/index.php?locus=J142845
Hauling logistics must be a major pain.
Indorian
Dominations Vanguard
Something Really Pretentious
#7 - 2012-05-14 18:40:08 UTC
Ryday wrote:
If you don't have five RR Tengus pilots online then two Guardians for an armor fleet or two Basilisks for a Shield fleet work fine. All ships must have 80%+ omni-resists with about 35k+ ehp. Tier 3 BCs are typically a bad idea in a C5. However, Rooks are a decent choice to reduce incoming dps.

You should always have a dedicated scout when ratting so getting stuck shouldn't be an issue. If you were desperate for more dps, you could put a probe launcher (and cloak) on your salvaging ship to act as "scout".

I assume this is your home:
http://www.wormnav.com/index.php?locus=J142845
Hauling logistics must be a major pain.


Major pain is exactly right. Why not a Scimi? Neuts too much?
Jaudark
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-05-14 19:01:45 UTC
Indorian wrote:


Major pain is exactly right. Why not a Scimi? Neuts too much?


that and a scimitar is a pain to get 4 RR on it, not enough powergrid. tankability is lower on a scimitar too, iirc
Ryday
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-05-14 19:04:51 UTC
Indorian wrote:
Major pain is exactly right. Why not a Scimi? Neuts too much?

yes
Indorian
Dominations Vanguard
Something Really Pretentious
#10 - 2012-05-14 19:15:37 UTC
36k ehp seams low for a BS (assuming worst case) what would you suggest that be?
Ryday
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-05-14 20:24:21 UTC
Indorian wrote:
36k ehp seams low for a BS (assuming worst case) what would you suggest that be?

You could probably go as low as 60k shield-ehp, but I'd shoot for 70k+ shield-ehp (that's about 110k total-ehp) in a C5 for a BS. Use logi drones to provide extra buffer for squishy BS's.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#12 - 2012-05-14 21:06:24 UTC
Ryday wrote:
Tier 3 BCs are typically a bad idea in a C5. However, Rooks are a decent choice to reduce incoming dps.


Normally not a good idea but properly setup shield oracles with ganglinks and 3 logis can work and a good source of cheapish dps tho T2 large turrets are a bit more training time than most newer players will have time for.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-05-14 22:43:52 UTC
2-3 guardians + navy geddons works real nice.
basis + nightmares work well too.

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Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#14 - 2012-05-14 23:30:52 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
2-3 guardians + navy geddons works real nice. .


This man is correct. Plus, since you'd be running armor, your mids would be open for some pvp utility (point, web, etc..), for when you eventually get a pvp fleet landing on you. Add to that the fact that Navy Geddons are cheap and absolutely lovely to look at, you can't lose.

No trolling please
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-05-15 01:25:04 UTC
2 basi / guardians
+
whatever you prefer. battleships, t2 ships, t3's. nightmares are excellent, but expensive. just fly what you want

when my corp lived in a c2 stat c4 wed often find c5's to farm. we would just make a fleet with whatever we had floating around. play around a bit and see what is fun and efficient. anything can work really.
Bloemkoolsaus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-05-15 09:05:47 UTC
I don't recommend using battleships. In my experience, battleships fleets chew through the site a lot slower then tengu or drake fleets. Before we started using RR Tengu's we did drake/nighthawk fleets with 2 or 3 basilisks. Basi's work better then scimi's because of the neuts, although using scimi's is possible.

It's possible to do the high-end sites aswell but the logi's need to on their balls, and need to pre-lock and chain reps when some-one gets yellow boxed cause that alpha can be pretty heavy for some BC's.
TomyLobo
U2EZ
#17 - 2012-05-15 17:33:24 UTC
6 rr tengus + noctis if you can field that much pilots. I'd have alt scouts on all the holes if possible.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-05-15 20:55:06 UTC
Bloemkoolsaus wrote:
It's possible to do the high-end sites aswell but the logi's need to on their balls, and need to pre-lock and chain reps when some-one gets yellow boxed cause that alpha can be pretty heavy for some BC's.


if youre using BCs to run C5 sites, youre doing something so horribly wrong i don't even know where to begin...

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Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#19 - 2012-05-15 22:45:35 UTC
It doesn't seem recommendable to do any core+ sites in anything but t3's with backup.
If you can't fly that, don't go there yet.

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Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#20 - 2012-05-16 11:09:04 UTC
tengu gang.

Legion gang.

Legion+proteus gang.

Loki+legion+proteus gang.

Get the idea???? Works in c6s too but you should get 2 guardians 4 dps t3s. IDK how well armor tanked ships remote rr ive only done it with tengus. If you want i can give ya a rr tengu fit that should work just mail me.