EVE General Discussion

If existing PVPpers are downgrading this in turn means that wannabe pvppers have actually a chance of competing. Losing ships actually is starting to hurt making the fights more intense as well.

And casual players can always buy a PLEX and play with that isk for a while.

Didn't you know that AI rats are dangerously smart and asteroids are a miners worst nightmare? Think man, think.

Well, if your in-game income is under 2b monthly (2-3 hours of missions daily) losing T2 battleship may kill all feeling of progression and motivation to login next time (50-100 hours of grind in crappy t1 BS to purchase internetpixels t2 ship you already had? no, thanks). Especially considering it's bicycling/camping season.

P.S. I don't run missions.

Or, you know, try and play a little better. Just a thought.

Sadly, it seems CCP think in that way too. No wonder game stagnate for 4 years while being unable to provide feeling of progression for those 70% of player who "live" in hi-sec. And now 70% year-to-year ship prices fluctuation adds some disappointment.

Your complaint indicates you're practicing the exact opposite of a 'healthy' pvp lifestyle. PvP should be done for a reason. Under most circumstances that would be making money in the long run. Fight over Pocos, moons, control of an area to exploit its riches (not necessarily sov - having 'air superiority' in a NPC 0.0,/lowsec area/WH would help, too), kill expensive ships for loot, gank miners to manipulate the market after you stockpiled minerals - whatever...


People are currently doing way too much entirely pointless PvP, grinding red crosses to go on a pointless roam in lowsec in a weekend for no other purpose than gaining killmails - PvP as an end in itself, whereas it's supposed to be a means to an end.

Since the real cost of ships has fallen steeply over the last few years, you could just look at it as a partial return to the status quo ante. In terms of player hours of effort required to buy one, they're still much cheaper than they were in the first half of the game.

Re-tilting the balance towards cheaper ships has several beneficial effects, not the least of which is to make "standard fleets" more accessible to low-SP players.

Did we really want to see EVE carrying on down the path it was on last year, where your choice of ships for "serious" fleets was narrowing down to: Supercapitals, Tech 3, and as a sop to the scrubs, dictors and probers?

Because make no mistake, that was where we were heading. Leaving CCP with a choice of either: rebalance the whole game around supers/T3s and gift new players 20-30M SP to start with, or else make an effort to reset the mudflation EVE has seen. If anything, Soundwave & co should be nerfing income and resources harder, but you can only boil the frog so fast.

So the answer to the question posed above is, yes, we should unironically hope and expect to see T1 cruiser gangs become normal and viable again. It will take a long time, there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the outer darkness, many cries of undue Goon/PL/FoTM Alliance-du-jour influence, but it can be done, it must be done and I hope it will be done.

Yet 1 of the 2 types of T2 BS's lends itself so well to highsec PvE

How do you lose t2 battleship in hi sec ?? - by being careless and stupid.
What is next step in progression after t2 battleship in hi sec ?? - unsubscribing due to boredom of running missions.

At least in 0.0 you can go into carrier/super and be potential target, thus creating content for other players.
For the ones that want to kill you and ones that want to protect you.

You mean to say your alliance/corp doesn't reimburse your pvp ships?

Jeese, that must suck.