Ships & Modules

slightly off topic but is there a reference guide anywhere that compares all the types of crystals?

-Two heatsink Zealot does 405 turret DPS with Scorch. Three gyro Vaga does 378 turret DPS with Barrage
-3 HS Harb does 601 DPS w/ IN MF, 3 HS Cane does 595 with RF EMP

etc. etc. point is the ships are relatively balanced, even if the bonuses aren't.

When I do comparisons I tend to make the fights unrealistic on purpose; I give advantages to one side that they would almost never see, so that when that side STILL comes out worse than the supposed underdog, there can be no doubt that said supposed underdog isn't really an underdog.


Believe it or not I agree entirely. The problem is this:
People seem to have it in their heads that the only way to measure how good a ship is is by looking at:
-How many people fly it
-The K/D ratios of people that do.
And that's just flat out wrong, no matter how you look at it. This problem gets even worse, because most people get the idea in their head that minmatar are overpowered from those 2 points, and then try to find logical arguments to prove WHY they're overpowered that don't revolve around killboards. Once you get past the ability to pick fights (which will always be doable, unless all ships are given identical speeds/cloaking rules/force projection) minmatar really don't have much going for them.

Autocannons are not overpowered, nor are (most) minmatar ships, they simply have the ability to run more easily from bad engagements, which is why people like them (because not getting killed is more important than getting kills, and we have killboards to thank for that). Once you look past minmatar's ability to run, they are literally the worst race in the game for pvp, and no, capless, variable damage type weapons don't change that.

TBH I think you misinterpreted the post I made earlier, as its point was not to show that zealots are overpowered, but that they have a plethora of advantages over a vagabond, whose only real noteworthy ability is the ability to run away. There's nothing wrong with that, and the vaga isn't underpowered at all, but the point is if you focus solely on K/D ratios, the vaga LOOKS much more impressive than it actually is.

Minmatar ships being able to pick their fights and disengage more easily than other ships has nothing to do with lasers. Lasers are a fine weapon system. They work well for the average, experienced Eve player.

The most important thing to most players is being able to survive the battle. For a solo player or small gang, that means being able to pick your fights and disengage when necessary. It also means being able to apply enough DPS to kill the other guy before his friends arrive.

For a larger battle, that means being able to have enough buffer to warp out or get repped up. It also means being able to pop someone before they can warp out or get repped.

If Amarr ships could pick their fights and disengage as easily as Minmatar ships, everyone would still be asking to nerf lasers and complaining about Scorch (the way they were six months-year ago). Lasers are fine.

or you can run missions in laser rat space. or you can do wormholes, etc. point is, lasers have their pluses and minuses in pve.

Feel free to post anything apart from a Tengu that can solo C4-C5 sites. You *might* be able to do C4s with a Loki, but it'll be horribly inefficient.

Lasorz are awesome. I dunno what you have been smoking but scorch is pretty much the best ammo in the game. Stop theory crafting and play the game

let's talk about true applied damage now mmkay?

I think that was his point.

Yes! Somebody else gets it! Quad Lights need a range boost something fierce. On hulls like the Prophecy or Maller with no DPS bonus for medium turrets you're actually better off fitting a frigate sized Medium Beam Laser than a cruiser sized Quad Light Beam. Ridiculous! And if you thought Aurora was useless, try fitting Gleam. A medium sized long range turret with the range of a small blaster? Hell yes!

Compared to the other medium sized beam lasers, the ranges go from 20 + 8 for Heavies, 17.5 + 6 for Focused Mediums, and 8 + 1 for Quad Lights. 15 + 4 would make sense as a nice progression, but the Quad Lights actually do more damage than Focused Mediums. So I would be happy with either 12 + 2 and keep the current RoF and damage mod, or 15 + 4 and nerf the damage mod but keep the RoF where it is. I loves me some sub one-second cycle times on my cruisers. Tracking could go from 0.08 to 0.06 in both cases and I wouldn't cry about it.

I wouldn't be complaining if Quad Lights weren't the coolest looking turrets you can buy. They just look so boss. Especially on a RoF bonused hull. PEWPEWPEW! Too bad they're a waste of slots when it comes to actually getting stuff done.