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Looks like we're winning the war: Highsec mining drops by HALF!

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Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2012-05-14 18:07:59 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:

I agree. But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices?


How many suicide ganks of mining frigates/cruisers have you seen?
Gankers primarily target Hulks and Mackinaws. Anyone flying those aren't new miners.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#182 - 2012-05-14 18:11:52 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:

I agree. But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices?


How many suicide ganks of mining frigates/cruisers have you seen?
Gankers primarily target Hulks and Mackinaws. Anyone flying those aren't new miners.

Yeah, I guess you could be right. Well, nothing more from me on it. Just asking a few questions is all.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#183 - 2012-05-14 18:14:05 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
If mineral prices do indeed go up, how are you hurting miners? Not trolling, genuinely interested.

It isn't hurting miners, in fact as mineral prices go up newbie miners (who belong in high sec) will be earning higher ISK/hour.

All thanks to James 315 and his ilk's tireless efforts to rid Eve of those overly-experienced miners that should have grown the balls to leave high sec years ago.

I agree. But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices?

Yes, because the genuine newbies are not the ones getting ganked. I mean very rarely do you see anyone target one of the mining frigates/cruisers, or even covetors.

And as for people claiming hulk pilots are newbies: Seriously go away. It takes like two months just to sit in one. If you've been playing Eve for months you should have by that point gotten used to the idea that you might occasionally die if you don't pay attention.

All the hulk multiboxing high sec bots do is drive down low end mineral prices and make life hell for genuine noobs. They should have, by all rights, left high sec and started mining high end minerals off in low/null sec years ago.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#184 - 2012-05-14 18:19:12 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
If mineral prices do indeed go up, how are you hurting miners? Not trolling, genuinely interested.

It isn't hurting miners, in fact as mineral prices go up newbie miners (who belong in high sec) will be earning higher ISK/hour.

All thanks to James 315 and his ilk's tireless efforts to rid Eve of those overly-experienced miners that should have grown the balls to leave high sec years ago.

I agree. But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices?

Yes, because the genuine newbies are not the ones getting ganked. I mean very rarely do you see anyone target one of the mining frigates/cruisers, or even covetors.

And as for people claiming hulk pilots are newbies: Seriously go away. It takes like two months just to sit in one. If you've been playing Eve for months you should have by that point gotten used to the idea that you might occasionally die if you don't pay attention.

All the hulk multiboxing high sec bots do is drive down low end mineral prices and make life hell for genuine noobs. They should have, by all rights, left high sec and started mining high end minerals off in low/null sec years ago.


Yep, I understand. Thank you for taking the time to type out a reply. There are more than a few guys mining in the corp I am in right now. I just wanted to get all sides of an argument before I talked to them. They are pretty old and hence a bit stubborn. Just wanted to let them know what it's really all about.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#185 - 2012-05-14 18:22:39 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:

I agree. But if miners are ganked all the time, would the new miners ultimately benefit from the high mineral prices?


Hasn't stopped them in the past 9 years.

But isn't this the most successful Hulkageddon yet? Or have miners been killed in the same magnitude since Eve went online? Just trying to figure things out ofc. So I can tell the guys who mine in my corp.


There are more miners than ever before and a huge number have no idea how to tank a ship.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#186 - 2012-05-14 18:30:35 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

There are more miners than ever before and a huge number have no idea how to tank a ship.

Lol,yeah I see that everyday. Some fits are truly bad! But does fitting for tank solve the problem or do they just bring more firepower?
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#187 - 2012-05-14 18:31:20 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

There are more miners than ever before and a huge number have no idea how to tank a ship.

Lol,yeah I see that everyday. Some fits are truly bad! But does fitting for tank solve the problem or do they just bring more
firepower?


they gank the untanked hulk next to you instead

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#188 - 2012-05-14 18:35:14 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

There are more miners than ever before and a huge number have no idea how to tank a ship.

Lol,yeah I see that everyday. Some fits are truly bad! But does fitting for tank solve the problem or do they just bring more
firepower?


they gank the untanked hulk next to you instead

Hehe,gotcha. Thank you for being patient everyone. I hope to see less people lose mining barges from corp.
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#189 - 2012-05-14 18:47:45 UTC
I have afk mined every single day this month (and most days last month). I haven't even been targeted let alone shot at, I think remember I am pretty afk, but definitely haven't died or been taken into armor. If you're flying a Hulk during Hulkageddon you deserve to lose it. If you lose even one Hulk you made a lot less profit than the dude in the covetor who lost no ships. People don't waste nados on Covetors, and single destroyers are easily foiled by a slight tank.

I usually don't afk mine (only have mining barge iv and the skill with an A that increases mining yield at iv.), but the profits are much higher than usually. Although I don't think highly of internet bullies or gankers as they're called in eve, I do enjoy profiting off their douchebaggery.
Ammatar IV
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#190 - 2012-05-14 18:57:33 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Ammatar IV wrote:



Perhaps nullsec should become even remotely accessible? Not this crap we have now, either you have to be a member of a trashy forum for 3 months or have 50 million SP...

If you guys want people to come out, you sure don't act like it.


Rubbish. We take willing people with far less skill. It's all about attitude not skill-points. A rifter with a point in the hands of a gutsy player will do far more damage than a 100M sp player in a shiny multi-billion isk T3 ship that warps away to a safe-spot at the first sign of trouble. You're just making stuff up to justify your lack of even trying to look for a way to nullsec.


Thank you for letting me know how I really feel, I appreciate it Big smile Please, I hope you come in pocket size so I can take you everywhere; I need someone to let me know what to say and why What? I is clueless noob otherwise, oh mighty internet spaceship hero, have mercy on my pitiful soul. Roll

I've attempted joining null sec corps, have been scammed and denied, have gone in solo and been popped and chased and shouted out of peoples "property." But I'm going to try the Foreign Legion this time. So please, before you decide to gift us with your almighty insight do remember, you probably don't know **** about it. Peace.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#191 - 2012-05-14 19:06:25 UTC
Ammatar IV wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
Ammatar IV wrote:



Perhaps nullsec should become even remotely accessible? Not this crap we have now, either you have to be a member of a trashy forum for 3 months or have 50 million SP...

If you guys want people to come out, you sure don't act like it.


Rubbish. We take willing people with far less skill. It's all about attitude not skill-points. A rifter with a point in the hands of a gutsy player will do far more damage than a 100M sp player in a shiny multi-billion isk T3 ship that warps away to a safe-spot at the first sign of trouble. You're just making stuff up to justify your lack of even trying to look for a way to nullsec.


Thank you for letting me know how I really feel, I appreciate it Big smile Please, I hope you come in pocket size so I can take you everywhere; I need someone to let me know what to say and why What? I is clueless noob otherwise, oh mighty internet spaceship hero, have mercy on my pitiful soul. Roll

I've attempted joining null sec corps, have been scammed and denied, have gone in solo and been popped and chased and shouted out of peoples "property." But I'm going to try the Foreign Legion this time. So please, before you decide to gift us with your almighty insight do remember, you probably don't know **** about it. Peace.

Either that or, as Ptraci pointed out, it really is all about attitude. Your attitude just happens to be that of an incurably dense asshat, which is why null sec players scam and kill you at every opportunity.

I've run low sec and null sec alliances, and we used to let in pretty much anybody if they were willing to learn. Hell we even had a few awoxxers we kept with us in taboo, they ended up helping us hot drop a few people before we got supercaps of our own.

Basically try being less of a douche, maybe then you'll make some friends and you won't be blindly chased out of any alliance you try to join.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

Ammatar IV
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#192 - 2012-05-14 19:36:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ammatar IV
Simi Kusoni wrote:
[quote=Ammatar IV][quote=Ptraci][quote=Ammatar IV]


Basically try being less of a douche, maybe then you'll make some friends and you won't be blindly chased out of any alliance you try to join.



Someone accuses me of "just making stuff up" and speaks for me without any knowledge...so I have an angered response. Must be a douche What? Sorry, I'll go take care of female hygiene needs now I guess OopsSad


Also, when arguing that someone is too "douchey", it would be nice to avoid using terms like "dense asshat" to describe people you've never met or spoken to, it sets up a bit of a double standard.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#193 - 2012-05-14 19:59:24 UTC
Ammatar IV wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
[quote=Ammatar IV][quote=Ptraci][quote=Ammatar IV]


Basically try being less of a douche, maybe then you'll make some friends and you won't be blindly chased out of any alliance you try to join.



Someone accuses me of "just making stuff up" and speaks for me without any knowledge...so I have an angered response. Must be a douche What? Sorry, I'll go take care of female hygiene needs now I guess OopsSad


Also, when arguing that someone is too "douchey", it would be nice to avoid using terms like "dense asshat" to describe people you've never met or spoken to, it sets up a bit of a double standard.

I am also a douche, I am quite comfortable with this fact.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#194 - 2012-05-14 20:18:01 UTC
As an Indy pilot I think this is great. I wish they would do hulkageddon every month just for the simple fact it eliminates the competition, and drives mineral prices through the rooof.

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Mangold
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
#195 - 2012-05-14 20:27:32 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:

All the hulk multiboxing high sec bots do is drive down low end mineral prices and make life hell for genuine noobs. They should have, by all rights, left high sec and started mining high end minerals off in low/null sec years ago.


Why?
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#196 - 2012-05-14 21:28:34 UTC
I came in expecting another stupid manifesto... Was pleasantly surprised to see evidence that his mommy is curtailing his online time.

Makes as much sense as his logic...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Char Amadeus
Retardation Outsmarted Me
#197 - 2012-05-14 21:29:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Char Amadeus
Is it wrong that I hear Hulkageddon and think "SNAP INTO A SLIM JIM!"?

On a serious note, I support it, because it proves that the EVE universe is truly open and player controlled (within the bounds of the agreements we click "Accept" on). Also, if you can get a nice ship, expand outside of the noob zone. As a noob, I can honestly say it's irritating to share a belt with ships that cost more than I've ever made. I believe that violates the "fairness" preached about throughout this topic. People that know what they're doing should primarily operate in low-sec (unless they're teaching a noob how to not suck).

Also, why is everyone getting so emotional and personal about this? It's a game. I don't go on forums and call people retards when I get my ass beat by an invader in Dark Souls. I simply proclaim "damn" (loudly), and move on. If I start getting too passionate about the issue, I take a hiatus to cool off. On that same note, it's just as bad to proclaim people who play a certain way to be ********. Some people like the industry part of the game. It should be accepted that some people like CoD, and others like Sim City. One shouldn't speak down on the profession of another, even if that profession turns you into space dust every now and again.
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#198 - 2012-05-14 21:37:44 UTC
all events like this, are just killboard efficiency whoring, for a bunch of bored internet spaceship nerds
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#199 - 2012-05-14 21:53:47 UTC
arcca jeth wrote:
all events like this, are just killboard efficiency whoring, for a bunch of bored internet spaceship nerds


... with much profit to be had if you plan.

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TravisWB
#200 - 2012-05-14 23:42:34 UTC
Lots of miners equals low ore prices and therefore by extension low Tech 1 ship prices. This is the noob friendly game that was EVE 4 years ago.

Full scale all out Goon war on Hisec eliminates miners, causing ore prices to skyrocket, causing Tech 1 ship prices to skyrocket.

This is the current anti-noob version of EVE.

GOONSVERSE.

What you are actually witnessing is the Goons intentionally and actualy destroying EVE.

Why CCP does not see the obvious malicious intent here is simply stupifying.