EVE General Discussion

I strongly disagree with that point. When thousands of people come together to build anything, virtual or physical, it is not meaningless. EVE Online is a prime example that doing something meaningful and being entertained are not mutually exclusive. That is also one of the reasons people are so passionate about the game and vocal in their opinions of future changes.



Again, I strongly have to disagree. If CCP market research indicates that EVE Online would do better financially in the long run as a more Panda focused carebear game, then that is certainly the direction they should go? If profits and the bottom line was the only interest, there are other businesses you can go into where you can make more money. Last summer we saw what happens when CCP adopted the thinking of marketing people and accountants into their game design, and it was not a pleasant sight.

IMO, the problem with nullsec is it takes too long for anything fun or meaningful to happen. Roams , Gate Camps, Fleet Ops, it doesn't matter. Almost every time its hours of waiting for 5 minutes of actual combat. Fleet Ops are the worst, you could literally spend hours waiting for precisely nothing to happen. Then the actual mechanics of sovereignty warfare, ugh....

Also, the problem with 0.0 alliances and corps is it requires too much dedication from its players. I like to afk....alot. It gives people the illusion I have better things to do with my time than sit on teamspeak waiting for a pilot in distress.

I like to post while sitting on a titan or shooting a POS. When do you like to post?

The way I view things is this.

Imagine we're all at a water park, loads of us as splashing around in the pool having a whale of a time (water based pun), a load of us are off on all the water slides and various other rides.


Then some of us are sat in the kids pool taking in the sun.


There's no real issue with any of these things, it's just those of us having fun in the pool and on the slides want those in the kids pool to come join us.


But this is eve, so "hey, it'll be way more fun over here, come play" get's substuituted with "yooo is teh problems, I HATE YOOO, DIE DIE DIE"

And what would be the differrence if this destruction came from tougher PVE content instead of lo-sec/null-sec pvp? The ships would still blow up the economy would still roll, and the lo-sec/null-sec crowd would still be whining because they all made nice with each other and don't fight each other anymore. So they sit around bored in their gate camps hoping some non-blue will jump through.

Stop ganking us then we will come and mine in low sec .

Sorry for the hours of delay in my reply, I was very busy doing stuff in game. No, it was fun stuff, not shooting a POS

So go somewhere where there aren't blues. I've cruised around null before, gotten into fights, left the same day, done deal.

If it's too blue, that's not a population problem anyway, that's a you need to pick less allies problem. There are well enough people in null.

Going into null-sec the first time feels like one is jumping off a cliff. The stars are still there, but there are no laws, no police, and no consequences for sociopathic behavior. Piracy and extortion become acceptable and NBSI becomes the rule for survival. Listening to corporate chat, watching local for reds, and paying close attention to regional surveillance advisory channels all become keys to personal survival and general alertness becomes much more important than it was in high-sec.

For the high-sec player, the level of stress is sharply increased and (assuming one can avoid getting ganked by a gate camp at the null-sec access gate) one can feel trapped by the inability to leave null-sec when desired (without a clone jump).

Here is a proposal that might serve to address this issue (that I'm sure many players may think is incredibly lame):

1. Extend more high-sec corridors into null-sec.
2. Extend the high-sec corridors deeper into null-sec.

Most (but not all) of the corridors would be part of one of the four race faction's space -- with all of the associated benefits and risks. A few corridors could be owned by pirate factions (Gurista, Serpenti, Blood, Sansha, Angel) with associated benefits and risks.


Why?

Systems within these corridors would serve as transitional gateways for high-sec players that want to gradually move into null-sec.

High-sec corridors would also provide temporary havens for those null-sec players who need a break from the constant need for wariness. High-sec spaces could also serve as sanctuary for those seeking to escape from pursuit.

More and deeper high-sec corridors would serve to open up more null-sec systems. It would serve as a counterpoint to strategic choke-points where one corporation can effectively isolate other corporations by creating unavoidable hostile barriers that must be traversed for access.

It would reduce the effectiveness of gate-camping as a tactic for restricting traffic in and out of null-sec space. More potential access points to null-sec would effectively de-risk access by players less experienced in null-sec life thus encouraging more null-sec participation.

It would improve the trade prospects (access to high-sec markets) for those who chose to live in null-sec.

It would more closely resemble what one might expect in a real universe. There would be areas of null-sec, but there would be "tendril-like" corridors (or pockets?) threading through the null-sec areas that offered high security services, markets, and law enforcement.



Issues:
The only serious potential issue I can see with this is that it would be necessary to transition a significant number of private sovereign null-sec systems to empire state control.

This is perhaps a change that could be implemented over time though a series of gradual "imminent domain" take-overs where corporations are given a choice of paying taxes to the state for stations and facilities or simply turning the stations over to the state for a "fair" compensation.

The impetus to "encourage" private corporate acquiescence to empire takeover would be a gradually escalating series of hostilities (with potentially rich prizes) similar to pirate incursions. Buy-out offers would increase in the event of successful resistance to the incursions.

Once taken over by an empire state, the security status of each system would then gradually increase over time as empire control became more established.

After all, why should null-sec corporations be immune from possible incursion take-overs by empire states? Isn't it the natural desire of all such states to expand their territories?

In fact, this is a normal part of the evolution of frontiers, and there is a lot of historical precedent on Earth that can serve to demonstrate how this works. Frontier territories that were originally developed by the East India Trading Company, for example, eventually became colonies of the British Empire.


Like I said, this is a suggestion that will probably be considered as lame, but this seems to be a better option than eliminating high-sec space altogether or reducing the economic incentives for players to remain in high-sec.
The notion here is to make more null-sec systems easy to access and make the transition to null-sec much easier than it currently is.

Regards.

TZ

Adding more connection from hs to low and null is not a bad idea.

People seem to have an irrational fear of gate camps (hs>ls camps are very rare, and completely avoidable) so increasing link systems could help these guys.

Lowsec exploration could use a slight buff compared to hisec, or hisec nerfed a bit. There are +300mil drops in hisec 3/10s that you can blitz with an AF, those easier plexes don't even exist in ls. So while it's a lot more fun to explore lowsec, you make more isk/hr in hisec without any risk.