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When Soundwave moves T2 mfg out of high sec....
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Lady Starfire
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-05-12 20:29:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Starfire
Zhade Lezte wrote:
The thing I heard a while ago was that they were considering buffing invention chances in nullsec to give it a niche. Hisec is even now the best for T1 as the masses of minerals can be moved easily, WH is the best for T3 for obvious reasons, and null would supposedly be the best for T2.

Something that a lot of hiseccers are ignorant of is how badly station mechanics in NPC outposts hinder nullsec manufacturing. A lot of stuff needs to be done in two or even three stations (refining, laboratory, manufacturing), and carting stuff around in a freighter is a lot less of a big deal than in hisec. With this and the troubles of importing lowend minerals, even goons that do manufacturing often just do it on hisec alts.

Buffing invention chance isn't even much of a way to address these problems, and I'm not sure how much it'll even matter as it'll just mean T2 BPCs being made in null and sold to highsec manufacturers. It may actually be a significant thing if the FW changes to datacores increase their costs, as right now the biggest costs in T2 production tend to be the manufacturing costs. I'm sure there's a couple exceptions I'm not aware of but vOv

anyways back to the sky is falling the sky is falling P


A lot of the time its not even just three stations in between 3 stations each in a different system. It really SNIPPAs your time away.

ONE OUTPOST per system really sucks some times.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#62 - 2012-05-14 12:14:16 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Mara Rinn, I used to get a chuckle out of your histrionic hyperbole, but now it is getting tedious. Welcome to my block list.


The last person to accuse me of histrionics did so in relation to my statements in the Research Agent guide about CCP Soundwave wanting to remove RP accrual from R&D agents (August 2011). You can bury your head in the sand, add me to your block list, and tell the Dungeon Master, "I DISBELIEVE!"*

Disbelieve all you want. There are no illusions to dispel.

One day, when you pull your head out of your nether regions and acknowledge that CCP Soundwave follows through with his threats, you can come back to this post and realise that the histrionic screaming you were tired of hearing was your own.

* thanks Jester

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Zeoxan
ZF Industries
#63 - 2012-05-14 14:29:18 UTC
This cant happen for a simple reason, I dont know what soundwave meant by this statement.

CCP is an enterprise and as such his goal is to earn money, not entertain people, if by earning money they can entertain people its ok, much better.

They want to have a lot of accounts active and paid.

I dont remember where did i read that most of the accounts are on hi-sec, this is a fact, a lot of eve players are players that have their little space on hi-sec and do industry cause it entertains them, they pay their acccounts to do some mining at the time of the day they want and build some tech II in a very small scale with their industrial skills and the dont want to be disturbed by anyone else, they dont want to look for cyno logistics joining corporations buying jump freighters and hauling 900k m3 to a null system.

If you take away this, people will cancel their accounts and CCP goal will not be achived, its true that soundwave was a goonswarm director sometime ago everybody knows that but soundwave will be cut off the moment the number of active accounts decrease, so i doubt he will take this step, the step that needs to be taken is not to nerf hi-sec production but buff null sec harvesting in everyway and buff null sec stations.

And plz a BPO to compess mineral not ore plz, its embarassing having to build T1 cannons to move them to 0.0 and produce there
clixor
Celluloid Gurus
#64 - 2012-05-14 17:24:18 UTC
Zeoxan wrote:


If you take away this, people will cancel their accounts and CCP goal will not be achived


There is something called long term strategy. One thing CCP learned hard way last year. If they keep EVE more balanced in the long run, they keep their subscribers as well. If they wanted to make all hi-sec dwellers happy CCP could do so instantly but like i said i think this is part of longer term approach.

This T2 change (whatever it'll be) is aimed to increase interaction between players (shoving it down their throats is also a qualification) and as a former largish T2 producer i don't think it's that bad at all. Because, well, t2 is about the most autistic profession there is as it stands now.
Avvalina
DVA Enterprises
#65 - 2012-05-14 17:52:55 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Avvalina wrote:
I and my alts vote 'against' movement of T2 production into low/null sec.


“The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.” — Ambassador Kosh, Babylon 5

Well then, it's time to make sure that Transport Ships V makes its way into some skill queues.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-05-14 18:00:17 UTC
Avvalina wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
Avvalina wrote:
I and my alts vote 'against' movement of T2 production into low/null sec.


“The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.” — Ambassador Kosh, Babylon 5

Well then, it's time to make sure that Transport Ships V makes its way into some skill queues.


Getting max skills on Bustard and Crane (for example) is a thing of beauty. P
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#67 - 2012-05-14 22:18:09 UTC
Avvalina wrote:
Well then, it's time to make sure that Transport Ships V makes its way into some skill queues.


Indeed :)

Any hisec care bear who dabbles in PI needs to know that the profits from low sec PI are well worth the effort of scouting and running around in cloaky ships. There are catches of course, and some people even resort to launching their products rather than picking them up at a POCO.

I have been allowing myself to wallow in the cesspit of hisec care bearing for too long.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2012-05-14 22:32:32 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Avvalina wrote:
Well then, it's time to make sure that Transport Ships V makes its way into some skill queues.


Indeed :)

Any hisec care bear who dabbles in PI needs to know that the profits from low sec PI are well worth the effort of scouting and running around in cloaky ships. There are catches of course, and some people even resort to launching their products rather than picking them up at a POCO.

I have been allowing myself to wallow in the cesspit of hisec care bearing for too long.


Really? Have you ever looked at the ship bonuses from the transport ship skill? Basically useless.
Javajunky
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2012-05-15 00:11:51 UTC
So do you think CCP soundwave is laughing his a$$ off saying let these guys sweat it out angry doomsayers always come up with funny ideas.

Best bet...moon ring mining allows for non-regional goo to get extracted from rings, Tech found in Delve for example. Therefore CCP gets a two'fer, more T2 production in Null Sec and breaking up some cartel I keep hearing about.

...mmmmk'ay?

Thank you for all your doomsday chuckles - obligatory - can I haz your stuffz...
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#70 - 2012-05-15 01:52:30 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Really? Have you ever looked at the ship bonuses from the transport ship skill? Basically useless.


The greater bonus from Transport Ships is at level 1 where you get to fly the hull, fit a covops cloak and run through gatecamps.

The remaining bonuses help you survive a little longer when you get caught because you chose not to send the covops frigate in first :)

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2012-05-15 02:15:29 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Really? Have you ever looked at the ship bonuses from the transport ship skill? Basically useless.


The greater bonus from Transport Ships is at level 1 where you get to fly the hull, fit a covops cloak and run through gatecamps.

The remaining bonuses help you survive a little longer when you get caught because you chose not to send the covops frigate in first :)


I guess flying the gallente versions I see zero benefit above 1 considering I'd never even attempt to active armot tank either.

Even shield tanked however, if you get caught you are likely to die. Certainly not something I'd waste taking to 5.
Katalci
Kismesis
#72 - 2012-05-15 02:49:30 UTC
I love this change. I'll get to not feel bad about being too lazy to put my towers in highsec rather than convenient 0.0, and make more money due to less competition!
ivar R'dhak
Deus est Mechanicus
#73 - 2012-05-15 08:33:59 UTC
Vince Snetterton wrote:
What will you do with your chars?

BTW, the IF is no longer a question.
It is only a matter of when and how.
Unsub.
Maybe come back in a year when CCP has learned YET another lesson about how they don´t understand their game.

IF there still is a game. If there isn´t, post a "congratulations notice" on the somethingawful fora.
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#74 - 2012-05-15 14:04:56 UTC  |  Edited by: 0Lona 0ltor
ivar R'dhak wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:
What will you do with your chars?

BTW, the IF is no longer a question.
It is only a matter of when and how.
Unsub.
Maybe come back in a year when CCP has learned YET another lesson about how they don´t understand their game.

IF there still is a game. If there isn´t, post a "congratulations notice" on the somethingawful fora.



Cry more, if CCP wanted to increase sub numbers overnight they could do so by removing T2BPO now. That would allow scope for many more invention accounts to be profitable while causing the minority of T2BPO owners to rage quit. They won't because at the end of the day todays subscription numbers are not as important as developing the game and the needs of the many do not out weigh the needs of the few.

Sure EVE will lose a few high sec bears with the new manufacturing and invention changes but it's better for the game that EVE maintains a PVP and not a PVE focus. If CCP only cared about profit they would just float the company now but guess what they haven't because they want to keep the game the way they like and not pander to new owners or holders.

PVE bears please just unsub from eve, unplug your network cable and put your freelancer disc in. You can be space king with your bling in that game and when you get popped just reload last save, it's really the game for you. If not stfu move your stuff into low/null/wh and play the game.
ivar R'dhak
Deus est Mechanicus
#75 - 2012-05-15 14:53:01 UTC
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
I can´t read

Yo masterbrain, this is the carebear forum. Not CAOD or General where your leet-pvpgriefer sh!tpoasts belong.

OP asked, I gave my honest answer.
You can keep talking to the hand. Bear
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#76 - 2012-05-15 16:19:55 UTC
ivar R'dhak wrote:
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
I can´t read

Yo masterbrain, this is the carebear forum. Not CAOD or General where your leet-pvpgriefer sh!tpoasts belong.

OP asked, I gave my honest answer.
You can keep talking to the hand. Bear


Shh now or we'll nerf incursions some more and then take level 4's out of high sec.

WOW is that way ----------------->
Stella SGP
#77 - 2012-05-15 21:58:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Stella SGP
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
ivar R'dhak wrote:
Vince Snetterton wrote:
What will you do with your chars?

BTW, the IF is no longer a question.
It is only a matter of when and how.
Unsub.
Maybe come back in a year when CCP has learned YET another lesson about how they don´t understand their game.

IF there still is a game. If there isn´t, post a "congratulations notice" on the somethingawful fora.



Cry more, if CCP wanted to increase sub numbers overnight they could do so by removing T2BPO now. That would allow scope for many more invention accounts to be profitable while causing the minority of T2BPO owners to rage quit. They won't because at the end of the day todays subscription numbers are not as important as developing the game and the needs of the many do not out weigh the needs of the few.

Sure EVE will lose a few high sec bears with the new manufacturing and invention changes but it's better for the game that EVE maintains a PVP and not a PVE focus. If CCP only cared about profit they would just float the company now but guess what they haven't because they want to keep the game the way they like and not pander to new owners or holders.

PVE bears please just unsub from eve, unplug your network cable and put your freelancer disc in. You can be space king with your bling in that game and when you get popped just reload last save, it's really the game for you. If not stfu move your stuff into low/null/wh and play the game.

Oh I'm sorry I thought we were playing CCP's Eve Online! I never realized that we were playing "YOUR" Eve Online! Silly me!

Say since its your game, could you give me some PLEXes or at least cover my sub fees, so I can play "YOUR" awesome Eve Online the way its meant to be played?

Edit - Oh I nearly forgot, are those TEARS I see coming out of your little Inventor's eyes? LOL, CRY MOAR PLEASE! Peasants, Pffft... You smell.
0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#78 - 2012-05-15 22:12:15 UTC
Hey after T2 is booted out of high and into null sec maybe I'll get me some discounted T2BPO's in a firesale next time then I'll be able to do T2 manufacture. Big smile

Naming your POS CCP Soundwave gives you 10% boost to T2 Manufacture.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#79 - 2012-05-15 22:20:42 UTC
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
Naming your POS CCP Soundwave gives you 10% boost to T2 Manufacture.


Simply having your POS in a Sov null system reduces your fuel costs dramatically. What more do you need?

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0Lona 0ltor
Adeptio Gloriae
#80 - 2012-05-15 23:13:02 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
0Lona 0ltor wrote:
Naming your POS CCP Soundwave gives you 10% boost to T2 Manufacture.


Simply having your POS in a Sov null system reduces your fuel costs dramatically. What more do you need?


A monopoly on T2 manufacture would be nice.