EVE General Discussion

Yet you ignore a very real issue.

Hisec tends to be represented by a very loud, vocal and annoying group of people.
The kind of people with *copious* time on their hands who live and breath this nonsense.
The game does not generate enough ISK to make those people worth putting up with.

I've been thinking this for a long time. Gates need to go. Gatecamping is lazy PvP, in the same spirit as lazy PvE in highsec that the PvPers complain constantly about.

Every ship should have a jump drive and be able to freely move to any system within range, with maximum range decreasing with size. Ships that, right now, already have jump drives could keep an exemption to this mechanic.

Unfortunately, this will never happen, because I guarantee that a bunch of people in huge alliances will call me an idiot and say it's a stupid idea, simply because it would make it inordinately more difficult for them to hold their vast swathes of territory while still having the time and inclination to roam highsec ganking miners and posting on the forums laughing over activities that any competent psychologist would label disturbingly sociopathic.

Opening up the game like that would certainly create a more interesting and dynamic New Eden. Certainly some other things would have to change as well, possibly the scanning mechanics to ensure that it would be easier to find fights, but I definitely agree that the main reason more people don't move to nullsec is that it's just too hard to GET there without getting popped by a gatecamp, podded, and having to start over. And, it's also difficult for smaller corporations to find a place, since most of the systems are already owned by large alliances. Ridding EVE of the gates and making holding sovereignty more difficult would alleviate this issue by forcing even the largest alliances to consolidate their holdings instead of relying on nigh-unbreakable chokepoints to effortlessly rule supreme over vast numbers of systems. Essentially, the difficulty of defending territory should scale exponentially, as it does in any real system. From an in-universe standpoint, advances in jump drive technology make perfect sense.

Pretty much every route out of highsec is choked with at least one gatecamp. If you're roaming lowsec or whatever with a gang, looking for PvP (or if you're in a covops ship), I can see where you're coming from. I'm talking about people trying to move to a specific location. If that location has gatecamps guarding it, you can't get there. Period. That is not an ideal mechanic if CCP wants people to move out of highsec.

Im definitely an Independent & Commercial player. While I haven't had the fortune of finding an alliance that would alleviate some of my tendencies toward the Independent mindset I am in a small, cohesive and intellectually blessed corporation. I do like it much.

Basically while the two labels do fit me they are merely situational and could be changed under the correct circumstances. I trained to create alliances so eventually I could create what i'm looking for if I tire of waiting for someone elses creation to fill the void.

Just to be clear we don't want your rif-raf high sec people in 0.0 it is our playground and we will come and take your toys away

1. Risk vs rewards, there are far too many decent rewards in high sec for basicly no risk, there are too many static rewards in 0.0 for large alliances in which there is little or no real risk.

2. High sec should always remain it is great and needs to be even more of a hub of production, in highsec there are ganks and wars and the war improvements are a step in the right direction, people are right to stay in highsec if they like the good mechanics and they do so. Low sec brings more risk and opportunities, at the moment the rewards are not great however. New FW may make this a little better or possibly worse, as it doesn't support the basis of low sec (hi sec pilots vs pirates) it just plonks FW right in the middle of it and hopes it 'fixes' some areas of low sec.

3. High sec is ok some higher income activities need to be accessible via low sec and below only (wormholes and incursions) just as LVL5s are.

Low sec needs more specialised high end /reward mission agents maybe a few hidden pirate factions. The new mid level complexes added are a good step. Low sec should be an unclaimable easily accessable gold mine and the conduit for small scale corporations to make their first big mark to use more risky space or to prey on the people using it. It is between high and 0.0 whilst it should always be independent from both.

For 0.0 CCP keep supporting the blob shoot structure shoot other blob activity over tactics and activity. If isk came from activity of members in corporations and hence fed into alliances via tax to sustain them the game would support grass roots activity. Sov is terrible.. it should be based on building + activity vs raiding + inactivity. Moon mining is also terrible and minerals need to be made available from more sources (belts / PI) all of which are vulnerable. Having lost of empty unused space with sov in 0.0 is wrong. 0.0 should be for large entities that want to build up their empire to a point where it becomes highly profitable to the members of the alliance it should also be very vulnerable to attack and raiding and a risky endeavour. On the flip side it should be a good way for raiding entities (say a low sec corp) to attack some terrible blob alliance that needs to die for fun ransom and profit.

1) These changes have different speeds.

- Hulkageddon is an exact date, many hi sec miners dock up, it does not take time.

- Moving to low sec requires substantial logistic efforts, expecially since the decent belts are multiple jumps in low sec (I have PvE / PvP and mined everywhere).

Therefore it's difficult to have seen a large sudden low sec increase due to hi seccers moving their stuff in low sec.
It's much more credible that existing low sec corps decided the escalation to inferno mineral prices were way too high and started their own corp operations.


2) If these hi sec miners really were so flexible to move to low sec, then why the dozens of 0.0 rage threads about hi sec miners etc. being too coward to move?

Have to decide: either the low/0.0 seccers are liars (by your statement hi seccers do move to other secs) or your argument does not work.

I'd just like to confirm that people in Eve, like in RL, split into magic groups where everyone is the same and all think the same things.

Damn those null sec guys! Sociopaths to a man!

There should always be a highsec, but it should be more like Solitude in function then The Forge

Er No

No

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My fiance came up with a perfect answer ... er No

The above post coming from a pilot in a large successful ( I hated saying that, but its true) alliance. Is not the same story if you haven't got that backup.


Tal

It's a sandbox game therefore people should be able to go and do what ever the **** they feel like where ever they feel like, that's what makes this game so great right?