Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Suicide Ganking for those that don't know:

"Suicide ganking" refers to the practice of intentionally attacking enemies in high-security space, with the expectation of losing one's ship to Concord. Some targets have very valuable items equipped and/or very valuable items in their cargo, and killing them and recovering the items that are dropped will pay for the costs incurred in losing the ships necessary to kill it. Concord response times are longer in lower-sec systems, so suicide ganking is generally most profitable in 0.5.

So here's the proposal:

To counter Suicide Ganking a change could be made to Cargo Scanning\Usage of Cargo Scanners whereby activating the module on any ship is the same as activating any other weapon\Warp Scrambling\Area of Effect (AoE)\ECM e.t.c. and should incur the same penalties e.g. Concord and\or Sentry Gun response.

This would exclude NPC Convoys as they are obviously a valid target all over the EVE Universe.

My thoughts behind this are you can cargo scan any ship you like and pick the "cherry's from the tree". This is all well and good except that High Security Systems are not High Security with Suicide Ganking being so prolific and nothing to counter.

Now I know a lot of comments will say "Well don't AFK jump" e.t.c e.t.c but you know sometimes RL does impact on GL. An example would be that your doorbell rings, your phone goes, a pipe bursts in the kitchen, you have a chronic case of diarrhoea but just gotta get that mission finished or for a more pressing matter which personally happened to me: your girlfriend comes to you, bent double in pain and you have to rush her to A&E. Now given any one of the situations (especially the last) the last thing on my mind was to dock up. Some things in RL just can't wait!

So why not make it a little more Secure in "High Security" space and make Cargo Scanning an offence just as any other act that interferes with a ship does.

Case in point:

A Target Painter will not harm a ship, cause it to lose functionality or affect it in any way. However it is still an action that is criminalized by Concord and I think Cargo Scanning should fall into the same category. This would mean that gankers come better prepared or have to get more people together to actually suicide gank Capsuleers...more risk = more thought.

I have Flame Suit at Level 5 with a +60% Effectiveness so let's have you comments and see what your thoughts are. Please keep be polite and add something to this discussion. If you don't like it say why and explain and if you do great, but if you do and can add something to make it better\fairer then let's go and hopefully someone might take this idea on-board.

Thank you for reading and your time,

Max.

I'm not sure how that works to be honest or how it impacts this suggestion, could you explain a little further please?

You are in public, you can be seen, you can be scanned. It is a normal part of the game.

if you don't want your cargo scanned (or rather you don't want to be ganked), either fly a blockade runner, cloak warp and use undock instas, or use an orcas corp bay, or fly below a reasonable gank limit in your freighter - and use different ships for different loads.

ie what you are proposing is dumb, especially when there are multiple ingame mechanics that allow you to deal with scanning.

NPC corp hauling alts are impervious to war dec mechanics, suicide ganking is the only viable(ish) counter to dropping to an NPC corp.

Your suggestion kills suicide ganking of transport ships, and so renders them invulnerable. Hence, allow attacking NPC corp alts for balance. It's a terrible solution, but then IMHO it's a terrible proposal.

Remove cargo and ship fitting scanners...problem solved. You don't need to see what the ship is carrying or fitted with expensive mods, just hit it with overwhelming alpha DPS (kind of like how you can kill a carrier in less in 2 minutes before self destruct though with CONCORD just hit it harder in 10 seconds). Oh wait...basic human adversion to risk and don't want to take an expensive loss from a bang of battleships on a gamble, some players need to know the odds before doubling down and basicly ask what the cards are being held in in the other person's hands (like thats really gambling ). No different then the dude who is sitting in an NPC corp, he doesn't want to risk a loss to his freighter so sits in a non-decable corp while still being vulnerable to being shot.

Highsec is't safe at all, but some people don't know that everyone is shootable unless the conditions favor their low threshold of risk adversion to take a loss to CONCORD

to me the best way to counter HS ganking suicide is that CCP implant IG a ship module who could brake for a short time (enaffly to warp out) warp jammer.

to me it is not so hard to do it and fastly implanted.

The main issue is that transports and freighters are a bit on the squishy side and should have a bit higher EHP with more options to increase shield/armor amounts. Suicide ganking should be a viable option, it's just too easy, and too predictable at this point.

Why don't you just say you want more severe sec status penalties, instead of wrapping it up in some silly mechanic that will be annoying for people in pods/low ehp ships?

Protip: For a newbie, it still is.


Why would a freighter fly with a PvP fleet when it can just drop to an NPC corp? Same with a hulk, why should we give it a T2 combat ship's tank, when it can drop to an NPC corp and avoid all risk?

You may not like suicide ganking, but it's a necessary reality and it isn't going away. As for buffing T2 mining ships, if you've been playing long enough to be in a hulk you should have been playing long enough to know how to mine in low sec.

Stop going AFK and HTFU.

It already is. My Mammoth has sixteen kills to its credit so far...