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Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#81 - 2012-05-13 16:43:39 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:

Why do people assume that ability is limted by the level of their qualification? A man can read, understand and teach without a lable.





One can do all of those things, and yet not spell correctly.

Anyway, that's my Sunday afternoon quota all filled up - good luck with your thread :)
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics
#82 - 2012-05-13 16:49:36 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Gahagan wrote:
A Spearman correlation analyzes continuous numeric varialbes and reports the degree to which one changes in response to another, however, it provides no information on causality and should not be reported as such.

Actually, Spearman correlations are used for rank order data. For continuos data we use the Pearson product-moment correlation coefficient. At least in Sweden.


It's entirely possible I'm wrong. I don't do correlations much - our lab does more on the experimental manipulation side, so our tool of choice is usually the linear regression model.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-05-13 16:53:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I have a good one....




Why do people (such as the rabble in this thread) hate the very mentioning of psychology? It is as though they cannot stand the idea of people knowing them like an open book, and knowing what motivates them even if they do not admit it to themselves. It seems to hurt their ego and perhaps even scare them. Ultimately, It seems to bring them to anger when they hear their own motivations spoken aloud. To say to someone "you have a need for validation and a need to be right" tends to equal "you are having problems being as validated as you want to be, and you have a need to be right because you are insecure." The outcome is that they see themselves as being more little then they want to be, and the result is the lashing out towards (and attempts to invalidate) the source of what violated their imagined state of being.



Am I close Mr. Psychology BS degree?



Because the people claiming to know such don't. And having a degree doesn't mean you are more intelligent than someone with a high IQ but from a social class that couldn't afford to attend college.

For instance, i'm a sociopath. One with a very high IQ. Anything you thought you knew about me would at best be speculation as I could very easily manipulate the person in question into believing something about me that was completely pulled out of my arse. Of which would prove your thesis on why I did or do something for any reason as complete hogwash.

Thats not to say that a counselor isn't useful for helping someone suffering from a mental issue be it depression or grief but that a twenty something kid doesn't have intimate knowledge of the human psyche in an infallible way.

Psychology also dismisses good and evil and attributes everything to various neurons in the brain firing off or not firing off at appropriate times/levels.
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics
#84 - 2012-05-13 17:03:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Gahagan
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Because the people claiming to know such don't. And having a degree doesn't mean you are more intelligent than someone with a high IQ but from a social class that couldn't afford to attend college.

For instance, i'm a sociopath. One with a very high IQ. Anything you thought you knew about me would at best be speculation as I could very easily manipulate the person in question into believing something about me that was completely pulled out of my arse. Of which would prove your thesis on why I did or do something for any reason as complete hogwash.

Thats not to say that a counselor isn't useful for helping someone suffering from a mental issue be it depression or grief but that a twenty something kid doesn't have intimate knowledge of the human psyche in a infallible way.


ASPD's a special case, which I'm sure you understand, if you do actually have it. And it wouldn't be speculation - it's entirely reasonable to assume that, when conversing with someone with ASPD, that they are in fact outright lying to you.

While an interesting example on their own, the bulk of the population doesn't have ASPD, and so it's not valid to claim symptoms of ASPD as an attribution for anyone saying anything negative ever.

Further, I'm not making claims that I have intimate knowledge of the human psyche in an infallible way. Only a fool would make such a claim, regardless of actual background or experience. My claim is that I've received a formal education in psychology. Is it possible that someone with a high IQ who didn't go to college can reach the same education independently? Of course. But not everyone has a high IQ, by definition.

Conversely, a degree does not guarantee proficiency in a topic. However, it does lend context and credibility, which is the manner in which it's been used in this circumstance.

And regarding good and evil: that's philosophical. However, the root of personality and behavior is neural connectivity and neural activation, so there is truth to the statement that the difference between good and evil is within synapses. That isn't really speculation.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#85 - 2012-05-13 17:10:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
Gahagan wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Because the people claiming to know such don't. And having a degree doesn't mean you are more intelligent than someone with a high IQ but from a social class that couldn't afford to attend college.

For instance, i'm a sociopath. One with a very high IQ. Anything you thought you knew about me would at best be speculation as I could very easily manipulate the person in question into believing something about me that was completely pulled out of my arse. Of which would prove your thesis on why I did or do something for any reason as complete hogwash.

Thats not to say that a counselor isn't useful for helping someone suffering from a mental issue be it depression or grief but that a twenty something kid doesn't have intimate knowledge of the human psyche in a infallible way.


ASPD's a special case, which I'm sure you understand, if you do actually have it. And it wouldn't be speculation - it's entirely reasonable to assume that, when conversing with someone with ASPD, that they are in fact outright lying to you.

While an interesting example on their own, the bulk of the population doesn't have ASPD, and so it's not valid to claim symptoms of ASPD as an attribution for anyone saying anything negative ever.

Further, I'm not making claims that I have intimate knowledge of the human psyche in an infallible way. Only a fool would make such a claim, regardless of actual background or experience. My claim is that I've received a formal education in psychology. Is it possible that someone with a high IQ who didn't go to college can reach the same education independently? Of course. But not everyone has a high IQ, by definition.

Conversely, a degree does not guarantee proficiency in a topic. However, it does lend context and credibility, which is the manner in which it's been used in this circumstance.

And regarding good and evil: that's philosophical. However, the root of personality and behavior is neural connectivity and neural activation, so there is truth to the statement that the difference between good and evil is within synapses. That isn't really speculation.


I'm not attacking you brother, if you have a genuine intent in helping people with a mental illness then you do an honorable service. I merely gave a snarky opinion regarding the dismissive nature people have regarding psychology.
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics
#86 - 2012-05-13 17:13:56 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
I'm not attacking you brother, if you have a genuine intent in helping people with a mental illness then you do an honorable service. I merely answered the question regarding the dismissive nature people have regarding psychology.


Oh, you thought I was saying, like "Ask a Shrink About EvE". I'm an experimental psychologist, not a clinical psychologist. My intent is to learn, not to treat.
Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#87 - 2012-05-13 17:18:17 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:
I'm not attacking you brother, if you have a genuine intent in helping people with a mental illness then you do an honorable service. I merely gave a snarky opinion regarding the dismissive nature people have regarding psychology.


edited for truth.
Lady Zarrina
New Eden Browncoats
#88 - 2012-05-13 17:36:34 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
As someone with an BSc Undergraduate degree and a master degree in psychology at two red brick English Universities we can put all of this to the test.



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A BS in Psych is roughly the same as an undergraduate degree in business, halved. It's really a terrible degree if it's your only degree. It's nice when you pair it with something else, like an MBA, or a law degree, though.



This is pretty funny. as as you get two types of degrees Interest or vocational. Law degrees and psychology degrees are both vocational and require further professional training first and if you just took two half degrees in law and psychology you would not be able to take vocational degrees in either.

Also an MBA is a Masters not a Batchelors.


Next

You can take a Pharma degree as a first degree so what you are in effect saying is that you took a pysch degree did not want to go into psychologhy and decided to switch to pharma. If you think that they are related apart from the occasional Pharmapsychology then you are very wrong. Bonus points if you can give me an application of Pharmapychology.

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The 'average' Psychology or Sociology PhD takes 6 years, and if you are doing anything with longitudinal data, God help you.
ive just realised that you are American. It takes 3 years for a Phd which includeds empirical research.


I cant be bothered to look at this stuff any further but do you know what IVs and DVs are and which type of data a basic spearmans correlation would analyse.


Also can you think of an Empirical research that you can conduct on this game and would you need internal validity or external validity as a basis.

If you can answer the above i will accept that you have a basic understanding of Social science research



This must be an example of trying to make that expert guy look stupid?

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Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics
#89 - 2012-05-13 18:29:14 UTC
A pretty straightforward one, yeah.
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2012-05-13 18:56:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Gorki Andropov wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:

Why do people assume that ability is limted by the level of their qualification? A man can read, understand and teach without a lable.





One can do all of those things, and yet not spell correctly.

Anyway, that's my Sunday afternoon quota all filled up - good luck with your thread :)


Hurr

Funny thing is, I typed out lebel first then decided to correct it for some reason. I blame labile.
Forger Lanis
The Augen Nation.
#91 - 2012-05-13 20:04:26 UTC
Why can't I bring myself to trust anyone in this game? When I played SWG there were people I trusted implicitly with my most priced virtual posessions.

Is it because our avatars are spaceships and not humanoids? In reality it shouldn't matter as the avatar in SWG is no different from the ship in EVE. I might add that SWG had an incredible degree of customization regrading the looks (actual physical appearance) and clothing. Can it be that the human brain subconsciously regard the avatar as the actual player and judges based upon that?
Verte Sinkon
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2012-05-13 20:08:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Verte Sinkon
Gorki Andropov wrote:
I think people might hate the idea of it because it reeks of pseudoscience.


Psychology is unabashedly one of the most interesting of the sciences, for me personally, but it is goddamn plagued by people who think they can literally generalize everything they learned and are somehow authorities on behaviors they literally have no information about aka this thread.

Forger Lanis wrote:
Why can't I bring myself to trust anyone in this game? When I played SWG there were people I trusted implicitly with my most priced virtual posessions.

Is it because our avatars are spaceships and not humanoids? In reality it shouldn't matter as the avatar in SWG is no different from the ship in EVE. I might add that SWG had an incredible degree of customization regrading the looks (actual physical appearance) and clothing. Can it be that the human brain subconsciously regard the avatar as the actual player and judges based upon that?


What in the christ.

It's called game design.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2012-05-13 20:10:08 UTC
Why am I only able to achieve erection after I've ganked a Hulk in highsec?
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#94 - 2012-05-13 20:25:57 UTC
Why is pesky human ethics always getting in.. well, whatever you scheme!

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics
#95 - 2012-05-13 20:40:12 UTC
Forger Lanis wrote:
Why can't I bring myself to trust anyone in this game? When I played SWG there were people I trusted implicitly with my most priced virtual posessions.

Is it because our avatars are spaceships and not humanoids? In reality it shouldn't matter as the avatar in SWG is no different from the ship in EVE. I might add that SWG had an incredible degree of customization regrading the looks (actual physical appearance) and clothing. Can it be that the human brain subconsciously regard the avatar as the actual player and judges based upon that?


That could be a possibility. Personally I'd wager that in SWG there's less of an avenue towards scamming and cheating, and in EvE it's actively encouraged. You're less trusting in players from EvE because it's more likely to be a scam and less likely to be an honest deal.

Verte Sinkon wrote:
Psychology is unabashedly one of the most interesting of the sciences, for me personally, but it is goddamn plagued by people who think they can literally generalize everything they learned and are somehow authorities on behaviors they literally have no information about aka this thread.


I'm not sure what psychology you learned. Should I not be generalizing what I have learned about human behavior in real life to human behavior in a video game?

Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Why am I only able to achieve erection after I've ganked a Hulk in highsec?


See my earlier response on paraphilias. You've linked the image of an exploding Hulk to sexual arousal.

Alpheias wrote:
Why is pesky human ethics always getting in.. well, whatever you scheme!


See my earlier response on id/superego conflict. Basically, part of you knows that EvE is a game and that you can do whatever sinister, backstabbing scheme you want. But another part of you know that what you're doing, in real life, would be considered wrong. So you experience stress. Of course, the amount of stress that people feel can differ wildly. Some people have no problem scamming and coercing other pilots, and others would never even consider it.
flakeys
Doomheim
#96 - 2012-05-13 20:40:17 UTC
Gahagan wrote:
If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.



Why does my wife never feel like having a good rumble in the bed yet once she gives into it it's her who allways enjoys it the most.


This will help me get less frustrated every time she says she's too tired once i know the reasons behind it.


Thanks in advance.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics
#97 - 2012-05-13 20:46:55 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Why does my wife never feel like having a good rumble in the bed yet once she gives into it it's her who allways enjoys it the most.


This will help me get less frustrated every time she says she's too tired once i know the reasons behind it.


Thanks in advance.


Dang. I should be able to do this, because I'm always the one who says he's too tired. Blink

There's two things that could be going on:

1.) is that she's not thinking how much she enjoys it when she's trying to go to bed, in other words, the pleasure of sex isn't as salient as the pleasure of sleep. However, once you get down to business, the pleasure of sex is more salient, and so she's able to derive more enjoyment from it.

2.) is that she's lying, and faking her orgasms.

I'm not really qualified to tell you which is more likely.
Forger Lanis
The Augen Nation.
#98 - 2012-05-13 21:06:17 UTC
Verte Sinkon wrote:
Gorki Andropov wrote:
I think people might hate the idea of it because it reeks of pseudoscience.


Psychology is unabashedly one of the most interesting of the sciences, for me personally, but it is goddamn plagued by people who think they can literally generalize everything they learned and are somehow authorities on behaviors they literally have no information about aka this thread.

Forger Lanis wrote:
Why can't I bring myself to trust anyone in this game? When I played SWG there were people I trusted implicitly with my most priced virtual posessions.

Is it because our avatars are spaceships and not humanoids? In reality it shouldn't matter as the avatar in SWG is no different from the ship in EVE. I might add that SWG had an incredible degree of customization regrading the looks (actual physical appearance) and clothing. Can it be that the human brain subconsciously regard the avatar as the actual player and judges based upon that?


What in the christ.

It's called game design.


You could scam and infiltrate there too. A friend lost his BLs that were worth millions and took a year to aquire.
Scien Inkunen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#99 - 2012-05-13 21:23:54 UTC
Gahagan wrote:
Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.

There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.



Players pretend that they are ruthless; this is only for the game.
Here are only nice and honest guys.

Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life !
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#100 - 2012-05-13 21:58:46 UTC
Gahagan wrote:


Peter Raptor wrote:
Why is existence better than non-existence and how do you know your answer is correct?


Well, first, from a scientific perspective, you'd want to hypothesize whether existence were better than non-existence, and to answer that question (scientifically) you would need to experience both.

Cue liberal arts and philosophy majors telling me I'm wrong.


Every one has experienced both since there was a time they didn't exist, and also we are not talking about subjective experience, we want objective facts since that what science is about Blink
And what am I doing discussing Ontology on Eve forums Shocked

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