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irishFour
Almost Dangerous
#1 - 2012-05-13 13:25:39 UTC
Before i put 2 more months into this, i thought id ask the wiser and more experienced.

A max dps torp golem, some implants, and awesome skill, i get on eft to be doing about 9200 damage, every 7.5 seconds. now i know that this is paper damage, eft is not exactly eve. But i want to know from the people who use the golem.

for all these questions, assume i have perfect missile skills, and marauders 4

Does it take 3 vollies to kill the average npc battleship, or more?

Do you often single shot non elite npc cruisers and

Is range a huge issue, or can i mitigate that by putting a 100mn warpdrive on it and speeding towards my targets, is this less effective than a cruise golem, where i dont have to fly around.

and lastly, am i wasting my time, and should just get a highly skilled mach/vargur pilot.

thanks

I like to have my cake and eat it too
marVLs
#2 - 2012-05-13 13:34:40 UTC
Mach/Vargur is better option.

All about Golem You got in this topic:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=65340&find=unread
Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#3 - 2012-05-13 14:05:38 UTC
irishFour wrote:
Before i put 2 more months into this, i thought id ask the wiser and more experienced.

A max dps torp golem, some implants, and awesome skill, i get on eft to be doing about 9200 damage, every 7.5 seconds. now i know that this is paper damage, eft is not exactly eve. But i want to know from the people who use the golem.

for all these questions, assume i have perfect missile skills, and marauders 4

Does it take 3 vollies to kill the average npc battleship, or more?

Do you often single shot non elite npc cruisers and

Is range a huge issue, or can i mitigate that by putting a 100mn warpdrive on it and speeding towards my targets, is this less effective than a cruise golem, where i dont have to fly around.

and lastly, am i wasting my time, and should just get a highly skilled mach/vargur pilot.

thanks


If this is for PvE, forget the battleships altogether and get a Tengu.

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."
irishFour
Almost Dangerous
#4 - 2012-05-13 14:07:46 UTC
Kaaeliaa wrote:
irishFour wrote:
Before i put 2 more months into this, i thought id ask the wiser and more experienced.

A max dps torp golem, some implants, and awesome skill, i get on eft to be doing about 9200 damage, every 7.5 seconds. now i know that this is paper damage, eft is not exactly eve. But i want to know from the people who use the golem.

for all these questions, assume i have perfect missile skills, and marauders 4

Does it take 3 vollies to kill the average npc battleship, or more?

Do you often single shot non elite npc cruisers and

Is range a huge issue, or can i mitigate that by putting a 100mn warpdrive on it and speeding towards my targets, is this less effective than a cruise golem, where i dont have to fly around.

and lastly, am i wasting my time, and should just get a highly skilled mach/vargur pilot.

thanks


If this is for PvE, forget the battleships altogether and get a Tengu.



I have a tengu, its wonderful, but 781 dps, 13 vollies per battleship, and 6 for elite frigates is too much. I want something faster, I want my cake and eat it too. but the tengu is nice, its just not keeping up with the other ships in the fleet.

I like to have my cake and eat it too
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#5 - 2012-05-13 16:47:18 UTC
Golem is only better on missions with a lot of close range battleships. I like mine a lot against Angel Cartel for this reason. I rarely, if ever, use it against any other NPCs.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

stoicfaux
#6 - 2012-05-13 18:17:39 UTC
irishFour wrote:

Does it take 3 vollies to kill the average npc battleship, or more?

Generally, 2-4 volleys, assuming that the target isn't moving faster than orbit speed. Two volleys might not happen unless you have Marauder V.

Quote:
Do you often single shot non elite npc cruisers and

You don't (even with 5 TPs) unless you manage to catch them while their sig size is huge from their MWD bloom. Go with two volleys.

Quote:
Is range a huge issue, or can i mitigate that by putting a 100mn warpdrive on it and speeding towards my targets, is this less effective than a cruise golem, where i dont have to fly around.

Yes, range is a huge issue. MWD doesn't really help because the align time is so slow (slow to turn, slow to accelerate, plus the cap loss) and once you do get moving, you're still not moving that fast.

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and lastly, am i wasting my time, and should just get a highly skilled mach/vargur pilot.

Yes and yes. A Mach/Vargur is faster even against Angels who like to close to short range.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Wilma Lawson
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-05-13 20:02:54 UTC
irishFour wrote:
Before i put 2 more months into this, i thought id ask the wiser and more experienced.

A max dps torp golem, some implants, and awesome skill, i get on eft to be doing about 9200 damage, every 7.5 seconds. now i know that this is paper damage, eft is not exactly eve. But i want to know from the people who use the golem.

for all these questions, assume i have perfect missile skills, and marauders 4

Does it take 3 vollies to kill the average npc battleship, or more?

Do you often single shot non elite npc cruisers and

Is range a huge issue, or can i mitigate that by putting a 100mn warpdrive on it and speeding towards my targets, is this less effective than a cruise golem, where i dont have to fly around.

and lastly, am i wasting my time, and should just get a highly skilled mach/vargur pilot.

thanks

Range can be an issue on some missions. I find an AB helps. Not perfect, but it gets me there.

3-5 vollies for the npc bs, sounds about right.
I have single shot elite npc cruisers, using 3 TPs. I have single shot a few frigates prior to them aggroing me and begin moving and they are far away.

In general, I like my Golem. It does the job. The AB definitely helps.

But, if you haven't put the time in yet; I would suggest the Vargur/Mach over the Golem.
General Trajan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-05-13 21:25:17 UTC
irishFour wrote:
Before i put 2 more months into this, i thought id ask the wiser and more experienced.

A max dps torp golem, some implants, and awesome skill, i get on eft to be doing about 9200 damage, every 7.5 seconds. now i know that this is paper damage, eft is not exactly eve. But i want to know from the people who use the golem.

for all these questions, assume i have perfect missile skills, and marauders 4

Does it take 3 vollies to kill the average npc battleship, or more?

Do you often single shot non elite npc cruisers and

Is range a huge issue, or can i mitigate that by putting a 100mn warpdrive on it and speeding towards my targets, is this less effective than a cruise golem, where i dont have to fly around.

and lastly, am i wasting my time, and should just get a highly skilled mach/vargur pilot.

thanks


i have marauders-5 trained, max skilled for target painters and use domination TPs (3) with my golem. i also have all the 5% missile hardwire implants as well. and this is what i get:

- T2 rage within 31km and almost always 2 shots to kill BS.
- faction torps 3 shots to kill BS withing 41km.
- elite cruisers die in 3 shots with T2 javelins within 61km. get alpha'd using T2 rage and faction.

range isn't an issue for me. why? because i tengu for the range stuff. anything L4 wise i need to afterburner around i use the tengu. only one mission i drop a TP for afterburner and use the golem and then you have to add a volley to everything you shoot except T2 rage and faction torps against BS and BC. still same amount of volleys (for me at least).

and wasting time is up to you to decide. personally, i don't do training mutt chars nor am i a FOTM addict. i live and die by the sword i bare. call me a fool if you like, but that's how i like to roll.

so if you think you are likely to win all of eve sometime next month then yeah, you prob best to get on the win-matar bandwagon Blink
Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
#9 - 2012-05-13 21:38:40 UTC
if you only want the fun of bs 5 once, mach or vargur.


Golem is a very rat specidif boat. Some rats its a hot knife through butter. Other rats are grindy and they kite. Unless you happen to ahve HG talons, gurista are a double dose of fun. First you wait to clear out jam cycles. Then you hope you are in range to kill jammers. mach/vargur still get jammed but once cleared between te's and barrage (if desired) once ham clears you have th option to clear out ships fast even if ranged.


Can't speak for vargur, mach though is very nice dps, and fit dependent gets you range. In adidition you have flexibility in your rigs. mach if you want cap, cap rigs. resist rigs, projectile rigs.....you can fit these to taste. Golem has no flexibility, you will really want to fit the range rigs.

Only edge golem has if you do em/thermal rats as its a better shield tank for it tno needing uber bling pimp tank. Mach this is fixed with uber bling pimp tank to add to price or.....your can roil out a more moderately priced armour tank to tank better (as armour is its actual tank so a bit stronger) . You will lose te's but you can slap tc's in mids to get them back the range efect somewhat. you will also be a bit slower from plate wiegh down but still zippy for a bs all the same imo. Pick your poison here if you go this route,
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-05-14 14:07:00 UTC
marVLs wrote:
Mach/Vargur is better option.

All about Golem You got in this topic:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=65340&find=unread


If you read this thread and still consider training up for a Golem you are wierd

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
TotalRapeage
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-05-15 08:44:50 UTC
My nightmare would like a little chat with you.