EVE General Discussion

So after reading this whole thread...

- The subscription base for Eve is growing over nine years.

- Carebears infiltrated the game and are a cancer to Eve's survival.
- Some stats pointing towards null sec players having high sec alts add to this number.

- High sec space is getting deadlier or friendly, depending upon your stance.
- A deadlier high sec space will be the death knell for Eve.
- A friendlier high sec space will be the death knell for Eve.

- Other online games were mentioned with reasons for their downfall.
- Carebear infiltration (or split to a separate server) were the reasons for these games' downfall.
- Player versus player type players left to their own kind had nothing to do and left the game.
- Side note about many of these types are not as hardcore as they think they are.

- One developer posted here.
- Some players feel he will lead Eve to the promised lands.
- Some players feel he will lead Eve to side with a prominent alliance due to past affiliations.

- The typical CCPAKs were out in this thread over the typical whiners.

Did you notice how i still claim that there are 14 CSM members, too?

And how actual changes are going to make it different?

It's consistent with your general refusal to allow mere facts to influence your arguments.

So if I have this straight, Carebears are the Jews of 1930's Germany, anything that is wrong it is automatically their fault.

I think you should cry moar.

Nerf individual player income was and will never be a good choice, null sec anoms got buff recently again because the impact was not the one expected.

So to make it simple atm, the good way to make huge amounts of isk is to either have tech moons or trade at station hubs.
Moon mining "should" be nerf, witch I strongly doubt without further information than just rumours about ring mining, when is trading going to get a good nerf stick by significantly increasing taxes and make it as interesting as PI?

And yes I'm already expecting the argument about price repercussion on buyer, but this has consequences equally ^^

If individual player income is driving inflation up, then by all means it deserves to be nerfed. If that is currently the case in EVE though, is debatable.

And corporate/alliance-level passive income is important for null, because of the non-paying activities involved to cultivate and run a null-'empire'.

he reason why it's imbalanced right now, has less to do with how much money can be made from a single moon and more with the ridiculously cheap jump and bridge mechanics, allowing alliances to easily control multiple regions, have complete safety and quick travel to their hinterlands, and enable alliances to NAP all their neighbors without facing boredom-rot, forming a coalition that can no longer be challenged.

Nerfing moon-income will change nothing to the underlying problems causing things like the high Tech prices, or even the impact of dronegoo on empire mineral prices for that matter.

I am a carebear, fear me for i am a decease rotting though Eve's flash, have been doing so for a month, 2 hours a week. Although i may become bored sooner. Seriously though, why can't you just arrive at conclusion that you need a high sec in which both griefers don't get too bored and carebears don't feel too safe ? As has been proven in this thread, succumbing too much to one type of players can cause trouble no matter what group that is. It's always some sort of balance.

A GUIDE TO COMMON COMPLAINTS ABOUT AND BY CAREBEARS
BY SIR JEBEDIAH MACAHAB DALLOCORT V OF VERGE VENDOR

First of all, can we change the name? "Carebear" is starting to be used in so many different occupations and situations that it's losing all meaning. For the purpose of this guide, I'll define carebear as a miner, but I propose something like "Rockmaggot", which is both condescending and specific.

Onto the main course.

"THE CAREBEARS MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY"

Yeah, I feel rich making about 400k an hour (when I'm not sleeping, hauling, running around for parts, scouting fields, salvaging, or huddled in the station watching local while waiting for a few reds to go away), most of which is spent repairing or replacing my ships, whereas all you goons have to do is spend 15 minutes at an L4 to earn a few billion. This is a [SIMPLEMINDED] argument and you should be spanked for making it.

"THE CAREBEARS ARE TOO SAFE"

Not really. Aforementioned ship replacement happens frequently. If you mine, you're going to get ganged by pirate corps or gankers, so a crucial part of the (smart) miner's budget is for replacing the ship you're currently flying around in. Sometimes you have to downgrade to a Navitas, too. Other times, xXxPirateDude420xXx and his merry crew of nolifers will make sure you won't leave the station for at least a week without incurring serious laser burns on your buttocks.

So no, we're not safe. At all. I sometimes wonder what nullsec is like, knowing fully well that I won't make it within 5 jumps of there without waking up in a vat.


"CAREBEARS BROKE THE ECONOMY"

Actually, the current inflation is from a low supply of ore brought on by botters getting banned (yay), plus the whole drone fiasco, and Goons deciding they needed to blow up everything with a mining laser on it because **** you it's mittens-day. Demand is also higher due to increased shipbuilding, which is due to stuff getting blown up more frequently, so congratulations for breaking your own economy, idiots. Fortunately, it's making the whole ship replacement thing a bit easier for me since ore prices are higher than the average individual at Woodstock.

"CAREBEARS NEED PUNISHING FOR NOT FLYING A TANKED HULK"

Uh, hulks aren't intended to be tanked, from what I understand. You're supposed to fly with this cool thing called a fleet that watches your back for you while you mine crap in nullsec. Unfortunately, the whole wardec thing I mentioned above usually means the fleet's tied up while you're trying to make dough for replacement ships for the war while trying to swat rats and gankers in a minifleet of fellow Hulks and Orcas. If you're going to scream about plying the gaem rite, at least try to figure out the role of the ship you're so pissed about. They're not intended for solo mining, and those slots are meant for survey scanners, cargo expanders, and mining drones.

"GOONS ARE DELIBERATELY TRYING TO DESTROY THE ECONOMY"

No, they're just blowing **** up like they always do. Long before I made an account here, I heard of the Goonswarm's various exploits, and I've rolled with groups of goons in other games doing similar crap. The goons are basically like every other player on here, except they're from a... I dunno what the hell SA is anymore. A humor website with a forum? A forum with a humor website? A self-sentient server eating PCP by the handful? Anyway, they're better organized, have a common personality set, and are pretty much all asses. However, from my own experiences with members of their realm, they're barely able to organize stuff like Hulkageddon to any level of precision. It's just GO KILL, GET MONEYS sort of stuff, so trying to say they're capable of trying to deliberately screw the economy isn't plausable. Sure, it's a predictable side effect, but I highly doubt Mittens and Co. sat down one day at a round table and decided they were going to do A, B, and C to screw up the economy. It's far more likely that they just said, "You know what? Let's go blow up some Hulks and stuff."

"GOONS ARE INFLUENCING CCP"

Considering that they're literally the largest alliance in New Eden, yes, they probably are. However, most instances of this stupid complaint involve much more direct negotiations. No, I don't think CCP Soundwave has Mittens whispering in his ear while he sleeps. It's far more likely that the changes that are being made go in the direction that CCP just wants to go. They don't want WoW (I don't want WoW, for that matter), so they're going to steer the game clear of those rocks. Don't get me wrong, there is some goon influence, it just doesn't involve ninjas at board meetings.

"GOONS ARE OBSESSED ABOUT CAREBEARS"

... Yeah, maybe a little bit.