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EvE Online, The Antisocial MMO

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#161 - 2012-05-13 11:10:22 UTC
OP is a newbie whiner who should go back to Wow.

Also, your assessment of the EVE player base is completely incorrect. Always keep an open mind and accept the fact that there may be entire groups of players that exist outside your limited experience. 2 months of sporadic play is hardly enough time to assess the over 300k active subscribers in EVE. I'm sure you haven't been everywhere, or joined every corp. Therefore your sample is skewed.

There are plenty of corps and alliances who like a good fight without being goons and who don't specialize in blobbing cyno alts.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#162 - 2012-05-13 11:13:26 UTC
Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:
Forums =/= Game



Don't say it twice you can get ban for this is ISD is in bad mood Lol

brb

Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#163 - 2012-05-13 11:42:54 UTC
John Schlong wrote:


why would I want to go to low sec when it just means waking up in a clone within 5 minutes? if I wanted to keep buying the same ship over and over again there is a self-destruct option, I don't need to fly to 0.4 space for that


Not every 0.4 system has a gatecamp on it, y'know. I've done half a dozen highsec>lowsec escalations and haven't even seen any ships on grid, just in local.
Heinrich Rotwang
Spectre Fleet Corporation
#164 - 2012-05-13 13:13:05 UTC
Beliandra wrote:

You're playing Quake, in an online deathmatch. Someone shoots you in the head with a railgun. You respawn, spot them, fire a few shots and miss, and they rail you again. You respawn and they rail you again.


In Quake, everyone got access to the same weapons and armor and the only advantage that the veteran player got over the new player, is experience and real skills (not calculated skills by subscription time). That's the farthest possible thing from eve mechanics I can think of.
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#165 - 2012-05-13 14:22:15 UTC
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Modron Midumulf
Nordom Holdings
#166 - 2012-05-13 15:16:18 UTC
Meh, OP should stop reading GD. Go to any game, read the forums, and tell me how the game is. Tell me how every class is broken, every corp/guild/random instance is full of idiots, how new players dont have a chance.

Then actually play that game, and tell me whether the forums are an accurate representation of the game. Just remember, people enjoying the game do not go to the forums and post "OMG, I am really enjoying PvP at the moment" because they are, strangely enough, playing the game :)

If the OP doesn't want to join a corp, he should at least check out the eve-uni class library, so he can learn a bit about game mechanics.

The myth that new players have no chance is no more true than it was when it was first touted, probably a year or so into eve.

So what if someone has 100m SP....there is a limit to how many they can have in a given field, specialisation is what you are after. If it was true that all that matters is SP, then whoever had the highest SP would by default win in PvP (Since they are a higher "level"), a new player would not be able to manufacture/Mine/Mission as well as an older player, no matter how long they played, they would not be able to compete on the market, and yet none of this occurs.

Burn Jita occured in 1 out of 5000 systems...in 1 of 23 regions with high sec in them, Other hubs were and are available if people wanted to avoid it. It was also only for 1 weekend.
Hulkageddon is for 1 month. Don't sit AFK in a belt.

Low sec is (sadly) under-populated, so "I am going to get ganked as soon as I jump in" is not entirely accurate. "I am going to get ganked if I jump into Rancer/Amammake/Eggelhende/Bosena/(Insert busy system)" is perhaps more accurate....but then, the most kills/hr always happen in high sec, so you judge where is safer...

The sociability of eve? I also play(ed) WoW, AoC, LOTRO, EQ2, WAR, Rift etc and it was far easier to play those never interacting with other players. In Eve, even the most solo 1-man corp people (Like me) are usually hanging out in several channels with other people swapping information.
gfldex
#167 - 2012-05-13 15:36:34 UTC
John Schlong wrote:
I'm here to bring more attention to a problem with eve and have a civilized discussion about it.


You mean you want to bring attention to _your_ problem. We can't help you with that, neither can CCP.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#168 - 2012-05-13 15:37:45 UTC
John Schlong wrote:
with a guaranteed 10 mil profit if they kill the hulk, even if they get zero loot.
Did they accomplish this act of ganking without a ship? Because the ship will eat into their profits. And to gank a Hulk in 1.0 space, solo, you need T2 fittings. You're going to need a destroyer most likely worth more than 10M ISK. So, no profit.
gfldex
#169 - 2012-05-13 16:13:02 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
You're going to need a destroyer most likely worth more than 10M ISK.


No you don't. You need friends in thrashers, t1 fit will do.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Rune Star
Trauma Ward
#170 - 2012-05-13 16:20:02 UTC
You're a newbie whiner, go back to WoW.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#171 - 2012-05-13 16:48:39 UTC
gfldex wrote:
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
You're going to need a destroyer most likely worth more than 10M ISK.


No you don't. You need friends in thrashers, t1 fit will do.


Leaving aside the fact that he specified SOLO killing someone, unless your friends are working for free they need a cut of the profits too.
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#172 - 2012-05-13 17:58:42 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Rath Kelbore wrote:
The most carebearingest bastards are in nullsec btw.


lol what


Just what I said. Null sec is full of really hardcore carebears. The whole game is full of them /us. The OP seemed to think that null sec was full of LEET PVP'rs or something. It's not. Many people(not all so don't freak out)in null are just as risk adverse as their high sec counterparts. Just because they join blob fleets now and again and get some kills doesn't mean they aren't carebears.

w/e

I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#173 - 2012-05-13 18:02:27 UTC
Rath Kelbore wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Rath Kelbore wrote:
The most carebearingest bastards are in nullsec btw.


lol what


Just what I said. Null sec is full of really hardcore carebears. The whole game is full of them /us. The OP seemed to think that null sec was full of LEET PVP'rs or something. It's not. Many people(not all so don't freak out)in null are just as risk adverse as their high sec counterparts. Just because they join blob fleets now and again and get some kills doesn't mean they aren't carebears.

w/e


the "hardcore carebears" in nullsec don't whine when they get ganked, however

i'm sorry that you think that nullsec is supposed to be a PvP-only area

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#174 - 2012-05-13 18:09:40 UTC
Referencing back to the op. That is because the majority of casual, respectable and other people who enjoy the game's social aspect, want to have a good time etc are too busy doing that to try to be showy attention grabbing bigots. Who cares about the self concious people who have an undesirable need for attention, find good peeps, and play the game. There are many out in new eden.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#175 - 2012-05-13 18:24:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Nylith Empyreal
Richard Desturned wrote:
Rath Kelbore wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Rath Kelbore wrote:
The most carebearingest bastards are in nullsec btw.


lol what


Just what I said. Null sec is full of really hardcore carebears. The whole game is full of them /us. The OP seemed to think that null sec was full of LEET PVP'rs or something. It's not. Many people(not all so don't freak out)in null are just as risk adverse as their high sec counterparts. Just because they join blob fleets now and again and get some kills doesn't mean they aren't carebears.

w/e


the "hardcore carebears" in nullsec don't whine when they get ganked, however

i'm sorry that you think that nullsec is supposed to be a PvP-only area


Yeah they didn't want those regions, stations, fleets, chairman anyway.

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#176 - 2012-05-13 18:30:21 UTC
Nylith Empyreal wrote:
Yeah they didn't want those regions, stations, fleets, chairman anyway.


uh what

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#177 - 2012-05-13 23:23:26 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:

oh, right, a 500 million isk untanked ship that is AFK dying to destroyers is not indicative of a problem in the game


The problem is not this. The problem is that they can do this with disposable alts. Get rid of alts, make Eve a much, much better game.

No good deed goes unpunished

EpicFailTroll
Doomheim
#178 - 2012-05-13 23:40:55 UTC  |  Edited by: EpicFailTroll
EvE grows at a very acceptable rate for CCP. A single shard universe cannot at the moment serve hundreds of thousands simultaneous players. What about profit? Well, for every 100 players who try the game and don't like it, there are a few who do subscribe, and, amongst those few, a couple who will buy a scout account, an industrial account, a remote boosting account, an ecm account, and fund everything through PLEX.

Gameplay in EvE is incredibly and quite absurdly harsh... if you play on a single account. A scout is mandatory, and players are forced to use several clients at once, if they wish to attain any degree of relevance in New Eden. And not only for solo. Ever seen a higher up in any powerful corporation that hadn't a slew of alts? yeah, me neither.

Single sharding also creates very strong power plays. A big player in EvE can truly brag, instead of saying "I'm the best warrior on the 289th WoW server", he'll say "I'm top brass in X alliance", that sounds somewhat more impressive. Power plays in this game are also driven by real money, some people are just very rich and like to spend it on online games. Mercenary fees and the like will be negotiated through isk created by PLEX (and some paypal transactions that will escape CCP's grasp).


EvE is actually the most Pay-to-Win game out there. Sociopathy is absolutely encouraged, as it generates a very high profit to player ratio.


Maxpie wrote:

The problem is not this. The problem is that they can do this with disposable alts. Get rid of alts, make Eve a much, much better game.


Financially it would not make sense for CCP. Allowing alts generates the same revenue for much less server load than an equal number of different players would. And the P2W/multiple accounts aspect of EvE generates huge profit.
Shian Yang
#179 - 2012-05-14 05:25:25 UTC
Maxpie wrote:
The problem is not this. The problem is that they can do this with disposable alts. Get rid of alts, make Eve a much, much better game.


Greetings capsuleer,

I am eagerly awaiting your proposed plan for ensuring I can only have one pilot license with one pilot active underneath it. When you have come up with a viable scheme for what is a fundamentally stupid idea we'll cover the next few points.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#180 - 2012-05-14 05:30:16 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
Maxpie wrote:
The problem is not this. The problem is that they can do this with disposable alts. Get rid of alts, make Eve a much, much better game.


Greetings capsuleer,

I am eagerly awaiting your proposed plan for ensuring I can only have one pilot license with one pilot active underneath it. When you have come up with a viable scheme for what is a fundamentally stupid idea we'll cover the next few points.

Regards,

Shian Yang

Greetings, person-who-thinks,

He wants to eviscerate nullsec people, who often have many paying accounts. I'm planning out accounts #4 and 5 actually ...

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