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IMPORTANT: Miners do NOT pay hulkageddoners
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Solar Rift
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-05-10 16:59:52 UTC
Does getting my ship ganked in highsec even though i'm not afk aggravate me? yes! However, regardless of the price of a new car, cheep or expensive, stuff gets wrecked every day in the real world and the same happens in eve.

The biggest thing here to me is a lack of a player driven system with skills that basically allow people to place long term detriments to criminals. I would suggest a series of skills in the Social skill tree for lawyer type mechanics. Such as the ability to seize / stop any criminal wallet activity for x amount of time (such as a month) so that the criminal cant actually buy anything at all in game on the market... because he cant access his isk. An ability for lawyers to make it so criminals can not dock in high security systems or even low security with another skill. An ability to flag a captain the inability to "disappear" into the void when the player logs off so when the criminal logs out, the character continues to remain AFK in the game until this flag is either overturned or the sentenced time is ran.

Once we can add judges / lawyer skills to high sec so that we can disrupt a criminal == to how they disrupt others (not just miners), we will be lacking.

I for one would sell my services as a lawyer to anyone who had the right amount of cash, ensure the criminal character was nearly neutered from doing anything in game for x amount of time without fleeing into null sec. I would also push for Concord forces to be allowed to POD -10 security status characters in high sec with reduced medical insurance (IE - force the criminal to become more dumb by losing skill points for their actions)

I'm fairly certain a potential criminal would think twice before actually committing a crime if they lost skill points when they did it and couldn't access their banks anymore or dock up to get more ships. They would have to live off of the good favor of their friends to help replace their ships.

... Now I want an attorney character.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-05-11 15:47:46 UTC
What's wrong with offering Hulk pilots a safety net?

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
CynHo
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-05-12 16:09:28 UTC
Burn Jita... Hulkageddon... so many tears and not enough popcorn.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#44 - 2012-05-12 17:40:27 UTC
Flump wrote:
if anything hulkageddon shows how flawed the pvp is in this game a person in realative cheap ship can attack an expensive ship in high sec space and nothing happens, no long term penalty of any nature. the because its legal excuse is quite weak on this side of the game. game can have all the kit and ships and planets mining etc then the game gets ruined by a lamers destroying ships for no other reason than because they can i doubt im only one who wont bother subcribing any more but then its been the same since i started 9 years ago



So why aren't you suiciding Goon freighters, haulers, etc in Empire then?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Lady Starfire
State War Academy
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-05-12 18:18:54 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Flump wrote:
if anything hulkageddon shows how flawed the pvp is in this game a person in realative cheap ship can attack an expensive ship in high sec space and nothing happens, no long term penalty of any nature. the because its legal excuse is quite weak on this side of the game. game can have all the kit and ships and planets mining etc then the game gets ruined by a lamers destroying ships for no other reason than because they can i doubt im only one who wont bother subcribing any more but then its been the same since i started 9 years ago



So why aren't you suiciding Goon freighters, haulers, etc in Empire then?

Because any one smart hauls with a NPC corp freighter with under 2 bil in assets.
Zanza Mechonis
What is tax
#46 - 2012-05-12 22:53:17 UTC
Flump wrote:
if anything hulkageddon shows how flawed the pvp is in this game a person in realative cheap ship can attack an expensive ship in high sec space and nothing happens, no long term penalty of any nature. the because its legal excuse is quite weak on this side of the game. game can have all the kit and ships and planets mining etc then the game gets ruined by a lamers destroying ships for no other reason than because they can i doubt im only one who wont bother subcribing any more but then its been the same since i started 9 years ago


Low cost ship DESIGNED FOR COMBAT destroys expensive ship designed for everything BUT combat. (Aside from drones)
Yeah... if a child who did martial arts for 5/10 years beats up a potential rapist in his mid 30's/40's, does that mean humans are flawed? The man in his 30's/40's should obviously be stronger, because he is older ("the hulk should obviously be stronger, because it's more expensive"). ...No, it doesn't work like that. Get over it. If you're really afraid of losing your exhumer, go play missions. More fun and a nice change of pace.

"On the internet you can be anything you want... It's strange that many people choose to be stupid."
Flump
Renegade Traders
#47 - 2012-05-13 10:00:13 UTC
Zanza Mechonis wrote:
Flump wrote:
if anything hulkageddon shows how flawed the pvp is in this game a person in realative cheap ship can attack an expensive ship in high sec space and nothing happens, no long term penalty of any nature. the because its legal excuse is quite weak on this side of the game. game can have all the kit and ships and planets mining etc then the game gets ruined by a lamers destroying ships for no other reason than because they can i doubt im only one who wont bother subcribing any more but then its been the same since i started 9 years ago


Low cost ship DESIGNED FOR COMBAT destroys expensive ship designed for everything BUT combat. (Aside from drones)
Yeah... if a child who did martial arts for 5/10 years beats up a potential rapist in his mid 30's/40's, does that mean humans are flawed? The man in his 30's/40's should obviously be stronger, because he is older ("the hulk should obviously be stronger, because it's more expensive"). ...No, it doesn't work like that. Get over it. If you're really afraid of losing your exhumer, go play missions. More fun and a nice change of pace.


thanks for the input now go back to your colouring book.
Flump
Renegade Traders
#48 - 2012-05-13 10:09:00 UTC
Solar Rift wrote:
Does getting my ship ganked in highsec even though i'm not afk aggravate me? yes! However, regardless of the price of a new car, cheep or expensive, stuff gets wrecked every day in the real world and the same happens in eve.

The biggest thing here to me is a lack of a player driven system with skills that basically allow people to place long term detriments to criminals. I would suggest a series of skills in the Social skill tree for lawyer type mechanics. Such as the ability to seize / stop any criminal wallet activity for x amount of time (such as a month) so that the criminal cant actually buy anything at all in game on the market... because he cant access his isk. An ability for lawyers to make it so criminals can not dock in high security systems or even low security with another skill. An ability to flag a captain the inability to "disappear" into the void when the player logs off so when the criminal logs out, the character continues to remain AFK in the game until this flag is either overturned or the sentenced time is ran.

Once we can add judges / lawyer skills to high sec so that we can disrupt a criminal == to how they disrupt others (not just miners), we will be lacking.

I for one would sell my services as a lawyer to anyone who had the right amount of cash, ensure the criminal character was nearly neutered from doing anything in game for x amount of time without fleeing into null sec. I would also push for Concord forces to be allowed to POD -10 security status characters in high sec with reduced medical insurance (IE - force the criminal to become more dumb by losing skill points for their actions)

I'm fairly certain a potential criminal would think twice before actually committing a crime if they lost skill points when they did it and couldn't access their banks anymore or dock up to get more ships. They would have to live off of the good favor of their friends to help replace their ships.

... Now I want an attorney character.


this is what i said before if you act like complety %^%^ in this nothing happens, eve trys to pretend to act like real life but even in a future sense is not close. someone whose going around taking out ships in high sec should by rights have police after so much that its hard for them to do it but on eve it just dosnt happen which is why people have always done it, its not same as some pirate on a gate in 0.0, if anything eve encourges people to act like %$%$ because they know nothing will happen and this is been case long before haulageddon was thought up, its like who used to block the team on other games when trying to get out the door , they not breaking the rules blocking the door but no one could do anything so it ruined the game.

most of the ones saying about getting over it have probably never had a hulk.
Zanza Mechonis
What is tax
#49 - 2012-05-13 11:08:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Zanza Mechonis
Flump wrote:
Zanza Mechonis wrote:
Flump wrote:
if anything hulkageddon shows how flawed the pvp is in this game a person in realative cheap ship can attack an expensive ship in high sec space and nothing happens, no long term penalty of any nature. the because its legal excuse is quite weak on this side of the game. game can have all the kit and ships and planets mining etc then the game gets ruined by a lamers destroying ships for no other reason than because they can i doubt im only one who wont bother subcribing any more but then its been the same since i started 9 years ago


Low cost ship DESIGNED FOR COMBAT destroys expensive ship designed for everything BUT combat. (Aside from drones)
Yeah... if a child who did martial arts for 5/10 years beats up a potential rapist in his mid 30's/40's, does that mean humans are flawed? The man in his 30's/40's should obviously be stronger, because he is older ("the hulk should obviously be stronger, because it's more expensive"). ...No, it doesn't work like that. Get over it. If you're really afraid of losing your exhumer, go play missions. More fun and a nice change of pace.


thanks for the input now go back to your colouring book.


-Player does not like part of the game
-Player gets criticized for stating this and doesn't like it
-Player offends
-Player should grow up and get over it. Then others would kindly like him to apologize.

EDIT:
Flump wrote:
most of the ones saying about getting over it have probably never had a hulk.

I've finished the skills to fly a hulk by the start of hulkageddon. Now I have to wait a month to actually ever use it because I can't replace it should it die. Where do you see me hate on it? (Hulkageddon) Hell, I encourage others to do it. More people ragequitting because of "flawed PvP design" means less miners to compete with and still a slight higher selling price for my minerals, even if it's 0.01 isk per trit piece Pirate <---Pirate Miner, your friendly neighbourhood pirate without a ship to pew pew. :D

"On the internet you can be anything you want... It's strange that many people choose to be stupid."
Dabigredboat
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2012-07-23 21:04:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Dabigredboat
Skorpynekomimi wrote:
Also, GOONSWARM has nothing to do with HULKAGEDDON. That would be HELICITY'S doing.

This message brought to you by RANDOM CAPITALISATION.


Incase this hasn't been messaged or said. Goonswarm is funding hulkageddon to keep the program and event running 24/7 for the rest of eve.

I would pay the man. The killing of hulks will never stop. CCP loves the idea of miners being ganked because it means mineral prices go up and everything costs more, adding more isk to the wasted isk pot.
Ginger Barbarella
#51 - 2012-07-23 21:40:16 UTC
Even after all these years I'm still amazed almost daily at how stupid some people are. Roll

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Herr Hammer Draken
#52 - 2012-07-24 04:46:24 UTC
On august 8th the dynamics of ganking miners will change drastically.
However I am quite sure the gankers will adapt far faster than the miners will.
It is funny how much things can change and yet remain the same.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Bunolagus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2012-07-24 09:47:56 UTC
Hisec mining is Solitude provides a very relaxing alternative to all of the activity in central Empire. The only problem I found is that minerals typically don't sell for as much. Far less competition for roids as well.
Charlie Jacobson
#54 - 2012-07-24 14:17:01 UTC
This is what makes EVE the best MMO out there. Thank you.

I support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#55 - 2012-07-24 18:25:19 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
It's indeed a scam.

- They take your money
- They add you to "miners to kill" list


Anyone paying up can reasonably be assumed to be someone who mines a lot, so it makes sense to try to use a Locator Agent to find his usual haunt, and then if several scam victims are in the same area, that's where you jump to to find targets.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#56 - 2012-07-24 19:34:04 UTC
Savoian wrote:
To all miner mates, today I received this email:

"Hulkageddon Mining Permit Offer
From: Andski
Sent: 2012.05.05 12:17
To: Savoian,

Greetings!

It appears that you were the unfortunate victim of a Hulkageddon gank. As you may have heard, Hulkageddon V has been ongoing since April 30th, and it is well-known that hundreds of Hulks and Mackinaws are destroyed during these campaigns. Exhumers are notoriously weak and the poor state of T2 hull insurance makes these ships extremely costly to lose for the victims, while extremely cheap to kill for the gankers.

This is where I come in. I am the Goonswarm Federation director in charge of managing the Hulkageddon campaign, and I deal with selling Mining Permits. The purchase of a Permit ensures that Hulkageddon participants do not target you - should they do so, any winnings they may claim are immediately void, and your loss will be FULLY reimbursed at current Jita prices!

To purchase a Mining Permit, send this character 250 million ISK with the reason "PERMIT" and you will shortly be listed under our exemptions list (characters that Hulkageddon participants must set blue for the duration of the campaign) and any exhumer losses you incur to suicide ganks throughout the remainder of the Hulkageddon campaign will be reimbursed, provided the following conditions:

- Any losses within 4 hours of payment will NOT be reimbursed. Wait 4 hours after payment before resuming your mining! The reason for this is that gankers have some leeway to keep their contacts up to date with our spreadsheet, and cannot be expected to continuously check it.
- The loss must be in HIGH SECURITY space (0.5 security or better!) No party on your killmail may have an active war declaration against your corporation/alliance or be a member of your (non-NPC) corporation.
- Any indication of MACRO USAGE will void your request. Goonswarm Federation does not intend on supporting botters.
- Fraud will not be tolerated. Anyone suicide ganking their own exhumers to collect payouts through this plan will be denied payment.
- Only characters that send 250,000,000 ISK to "Andski" will be listed on the no-kill list! Alts are not covered, unless you send this character that same amount of ISK from those alts!

For reference, your character name will be listed on this exemption list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag0_cKv2BUAhdHI2NHU5YVY2eERqVU9GZnhVLUJRVVE

Happy mining!"


Of course I told the guy to **** off, now I want to ask all of you to do the same.
DO NOT PAY!
In the real world this is called MAFIA.
It's threatening people and asking them money to allow them to do thier job. If you enter in the loop there is no way out.
This money will be used to finance hulkageddon, hulkageddoners will start making money out of it and they will do it more and more often.
You will end up paying for whatever you want to do all the time.
DO NOT PAY!

Tank your hulk, stay in 1.0, get organized with logistic ships but DO NOT PAY!

Sav


lol

Wait for the next expansion.

Then go mine in hi-sec until you die of boredom. Concord will protect you by bringing doom to oppressors!

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-07-24 21:14:45 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:
A$$-hat FCs, roams with five or six different people calling out orders, douche-bag corpies who shoot just for the lulz and KMs, the inevitable "Fleet up or you're out of the corp!" idiots.


I know this is hard to understand, but sometimes you actually have to help protect your space.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#58 - 2012-07-25 11:41:52 UTC
Herr Hammer Draken wrote:
On august 8th the dynamics of ganking miners will change drastically.


Well, mining ships are getting massively buffed tanks. So belt rats … ?

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Hwa Sung
Da Learnin Corp
#59 - 2012-07-28 02:18:06 UTC
Nicola Sardonicus wrote:
In the world of EVE, this not extortion, because it's not a crime. Here, it's a legitimate business plan, whether it's for real or a scam. Good luck with your mining ...



it IS extortion if its for real, or a scam if its not. Just because something isn't against the law doesnt mean its not what it is.
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