Warfare & Tactics

With the new War Dec mechanics it seems like there is no consideration to players who wish to take part in PVE activity only.

It would appear the only option available to none PVP type players is to stay in an NPC corp or join a large enough Corp which is unlikely to get War Dec'ed because of the cost.

What happened to Eve being a Sandbox allowing players to choose what they want to do.

A typical PVE player example which is no longer possible

1. I want to play Eve for fun and be a carebear
2. I want to run my own corp for me and my buddies
3. I don't want to take part in PVP so i live in hisec
4. Just let me play the game how i like to play it and leave me alone

It seems with the new War Dec mechanics players who want to run small scale corps for fun and carebear activities are now going to be extorted indefinately by PVP gangs. Misions runner corps, Minign Corps, Incursion Corps, ect will now be prime targets for small scale PVP gangs to extort leaving the carebeasr with no option but to return to NPC corps and ultimately bring an end to the player run corp's for PVE activities.

Before all the PVPers rage that a carebear shouldn't be safe, please hold that rage for another thread and debate... carebears pay there subscription like everyone else and should be allowed to play the game as they wish without being constantly griefed by other players which is basically what the new war dec mechanics will bring and the only way to avoid that is to be in an NPC corp where you can't gain the same control with your buddies from having your own corp.

How about an opt out of PVP option, is it really that important that eve becomes a completely PVP based game where carebears and new comers can't avoid being targetted and killed?

The argument that a carebear can stay in an NPC corp is flawed becuase that carebear might want to run a 5 man corp with himself and his RL friends, so they can meet up chare a corp experience and do the things together they liek to do in Eve, simply saying to those guys right you now have to go and join an NPC corp to be safe is a little unbalanced in favour of the PVPers as that same 5 man corp will disband, join NPC corps and miss out on all teh features which were available to them in a small corp such as sharing hisec POS rights, corp management roles and leaders.

Finally this may sound liek a big carebear crying but i'm simply trying to work out how this new mechanic will be balanced in favour of all players rather than just those PVP corps who will now be able to grief carebears and extort them which is a little unfair considering they pay to play a game we all share.

This is the exact invalid argument i wanted to avoid, it's a valid answer to this post but its not a solution to the problem inferno war dec mechanics will cause as listed in my OP.

Your mindless response does not answer any of the questions raised in my post but thanks for stopping by

Hmm its a sandbox, exactly what kind of game is it not? lol

Sandbox by definition is a game which allows as much freedom to its player base to choose a game style which suits them and entertains there own desires.

Why is it so hard for some people to understand ??? It's not a game where you're supposed to be safe, it's a harsh universe where people get gunned down sometime for no reasons. At least with the war dec system, you have a 24h notice, you know who's after you and you have time to take defensive actions. Hell you can even call in reinforcements if your the one attacked.

If you wanna be left alone playing a spreadsheet game, I don't know go play sim city, or even better, open a real business. And that come from someone who mined for almost a year, so it's not like I'm a pvp is the only way to go kind of guy. I love the industry/market aspect of eve. You just can't ask for theses aspect to be deconnected from the rest of the game.

It really doesn't.

Sandbox means non linear gameplay. It means their is no world 1, world 2, world 3, end boss fight and you win.

It doesn't mean you have the freedom to opt out of anything.

They can if they defend their corp.

It isn't flawed it just limits what you can do if you are not willing fight for it.

Less then people think. Just because someone has a character / characters in High Sec doesn't make them a carebear at all.

I imagine they would lose more subs if they started wrapping players of soft fluffy blankets.

One of the key marketing points of Eve Online is the one universe, brutal sandbox.

Eve is not a 'PVE' game, in terms that even if you don't shoot other players directly, you're still always competing with them on some level, be it running exploration sites first, playing the market or being that one who can afford to buy that navy faction ship someone has just made.

Your idea is completely non-congruent with well..everything. The War Dec system was created to stop people hiding in corps in high-sec, and its only major complaint was that it didn't do that job enough. Thus the war-dec buff.

First reasonable response :) good opinion and kind of makes sense what you said.

So for the next question its going to cost the agressor 20mil + 500k per member in the defender corp to to hold up a war dec for a week. So joking aside i could create 500 trial account characters in a matter of hours therefore making it cost a minimum of 250mil to war dec my corp. This is another area where the mechaic is broken.

Both my points 500 man attacking alts and 500 man defending alts all on trial accoutn sthe problem is the mechanics are not really true to the game becuase it's too easy for people to create fake scams with the mechanics and not follow through with legitamate wars which will still anoy the carebears

From CCP: The war dec cost formula will not take aggressor size into account and will not count trial account members in target corp.