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Ask A Psychologist About EvE

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Connaght Badasaz
Lewis and Clark Inc.
#21 - 2012-05-13 04:10:48 UTC
Vulix wrote:
Gahagan wrote:
Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.

There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.


Only a bachelors? Lol.

-A PhD Candidate



Lol, Bookworm.

Take arrows in the forehead, never the back

Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics
#22 - 2012-05-13 04:12:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Gahagan
Vulix wrote:


Only a bachelors? Lol.

-A PhD Candidate


Clinical or academic? 5+ years of running experiments and writing papers isn't really my thing. I'll stick to a PharmD and make 80k starting.

Edit - and for clinical, I don't know, it's just not my thing. If you're doing that, whatever. But a PhD in an academic setting is rather unappealing.
Vulix
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-05-13 04:27:27 UTC
Gahagan wrote:
Vulix wrote:


Only a bachelors? Lol.

-A PhD Candidate


Clinical or academic? 5+ years of running experiments and writing papers isn't really my thing. I'll stick to a PharmD and make 80k starting.

Edit - and for clinical, I don't know, it's just not my thing. If you're doing that, whatever. But a PhD in an academic setting is rather unappealing.


Academic, and it's very appealing to me. Why?

1. Summer vacations for the rest of my life

2. All-expense paid trips to conferences that take place in awesome places (Washington D.C., Barcelona, Hawaii are just a few examples)

3. I'm studying computer science, so I basically just work as a software engineer and write some papers (pretty much some documentation on my code + theory\lit review)

4. My research is funded by some government agencies with interests in national defense, so I get to program cool **** 8D

I do think a lot of academic PhDs are boring though, but I'm sure they are exhilirating to the people pursuing them.
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics
#24 - 2012-05-13 04:32:10 UTC
It's endemic to Psychology. I was under the impression that's what you were talking about.

The 'average' Psychology or Sociology PhD takes 6 years, and if you are doing anything with longitudinal data, God help you.
SpaceSquirrels
#25 - 2012-05-13 04:40:00 UTC  |  Edited by: SpaceSquirrels
XXSketchxx wrote:
Confirming a BS is the requirement for expert in any field.


Lol this...

You and about 13 million other Americans just received a psych degree. This does not make you a psychologist. This makes you yet another person with a worthless bachelors degree. (Along with communications, English, any lit degree, liberal arts, poli sci, marketing, sociology, and social work just to name a few.) Get a PH.d or a masters in I.O psych then come talk to us.


Least paid degrees

Drum role please..... See what number one is.
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics
#26 - 2012-05-13 04:47:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Gahagan
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
Lol this...

You and about 13 million other Americans just received a psych degree. This does not make you a psychologist. This makes you yet another person with a worthless bachelors degree. (Along with communications, English, any lit degree, liberal arts, poli sci, marketing, sociology, and social work just to name a few.) Get a PH.d or a masters in I.O psych then come talk to us.


Least paid degrees

Drum role please..... See what number one is.


Thanks for the career advice. I think you missed this though.

Gahagan wrote:
I'm going to grad school for pharmacy, with the idea of working in R&D and doing clinical drug tests for pharmaceutical companies. I don't think that'll work out half-bad.


#2 you say? Hmm - almost seems like someone's done some reading into lucrative degrees!
Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-05-13 04:55:40 UTC
Is it true that the human brain isn't fully developed until reaching the age of 25? Is it true that that the median age of EVE players is 27?
Gahagan
White Moon Aeronautics
#28 - 2012-05-13 04:59:37 UTC
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
Is it true that the human brain isn't fully developed until reaching the age of 25? Is it true that that the median age of EVE players is 27?


The brain never really "stops" developing - forming a memory or learning a skill involves neuronal connections being made, and that never really stops. It just slows down as you age.

But the brain is mostly done doing "brain things" by the time you get to your 20s. 25 isn't a strict rule, but it's a good ballpark estimate.

I do not know what the median age of EvE players is, however, so I'm unable to comment on whether EvE players are more developed, neurologically, than players of other MMOs.
Derglas Servekti
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-05-13 05:47:28 UTC
OK, here's my question. I have a PhD in physics, yet somehow I'm still able to play EVE even though it utterly butchers basic Newtonian mechanics. My question is: given this, DID Han shoot first?
Verte Sinkon
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-05-13 06:02:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Verte Sinkon
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
Is it true that the human brain isn't fully developed until reaching the age of 25? Is it true that that the median age of EVE players is 27?


The brain is always developing since you are always experiencing the world and those experiences are physical structures within your brain. So, it would be better to say that the brain has, on average, matured by age 25, although I've seen it said as low as 22, instead of saying it has finished developing. Also, it's important to understand the maturation isn't uniform. The area of the brain that develops last is the prefrontal cortex which is where the idea that you finish developing at 25 comes from. A list of what functions it is involved in.

I'm not really sure if maturation is the quite as precise a word I'm looking for, considering you could probably consider decrease in function/mass due to age as maturation as well.

Derglas Servekti wrote:
OK, here's my question. I have a PhD in physics, yet somehow I'm still able to play EVE even though it utterly butchers basic Newtonian mechanics. My question is: given this, DID Han shoot first?


Ahahah you got a degree in physics, what a nerd!
Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-05-13 06:19:56 UTC
ill play .

how does eve achieve the adrenaline effect of the shakes ?

one can play battle field 3 all day and not even experience a minor tremble of excitement ( rage don't count here)

but in eve when it comes to pvp a large majority have experienced the adrenaline rush .

with eve being only a game what sets eve apart from the rest in this manner?
Durie
WORLDSTAR HIPHOP
Brotherhood of Spacers
#32 - 2012-05-13 06:24:11 UTC
I've described EVE as a 10 year long Stanford prisoner experiment to people unfamiliar with the game. Is this a fair description?
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-05-13 06:33:53 UTC
Gahagan wrote:
A BS in Psych is roughly the same as an undergraduate degree in business, halved. It's really a terrible degree if it's your only degree. It's nice when you pair it with something else, like an MBA, or a law degree, though.

I'm going to grad school for pharmacy, with the idea of working in R&D and clinical drug tests for pharmaceutical companies. I don't think that'll work out half-bad.


So you're either genuine...or you *were* doing this and on to ~hopefully~ greener pastures. Soon as I started realizing how much psych 101 and psych 450 had in common, I bounced.

Either way, I laughed. Good luck with the pharma degree, big pharma may suck but they pay well.

Hello, hello again.

Pres Crendraven
#34 - 2012-05-13 06:43:46 UTC
Oh doctor Gagger, I just love your show. Tell me please, You seem to know why everybody is the way they is but can you tell me how to change into somebody I Isn't. All my Eve career I been wantin to drool and froth at the mouth like a greedy bloodthirstys sociopath but nothin I seem to do helps me to really change. Ewar this, Repper that, little help here, little help there. Once in a while I swoop in and do the hero save but when I'm done I'm the same capsuleer is still there. Risk, Pain,greed, peers, none of them motivate me to kill. What can I do?

Meta34me

Corp and Alliance details hidden to protect the innocent.

Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-05-13 06:55:37 UTC
Verte Sinkon wrote:
The area of the brain that develops last is the prefrontal cortex which is where the idea that you finish developing at 25 comes from.

Foreseeing and weighing possible consequences of behavior..

I was planning a troll on OP, such that creating this thread was a bad idea gaahh the hell with it
Jack Orf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#36 - 2012-05-13 09:10:49 UTC
Gahagan wrote:
Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.

There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.


Explaining behavior requires attributing beliefs. You can't attribute beliefs without understanding the culture within which an individual developed. Psychology only describes behavior, and cannot explain it. Regardless, any interpretation you give falls victim to underdetermination of theory by evidence - you don't have nearly enough evidence to do anything more than speculate.

A bachelor's in psychology is a joke. Read some anthropology and philosophy and learn how to think.
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-05-13 09:14:44 UTC
What parallels do you see between Erikson's life stage theory and the progression of newbies in eve online?
RAP ACTION HERO
#38 - 2012-05-13 09:15:56 UTC
How would you help those battered goon victims.

vitoc erryday

Lexmana
#39 - 2012-05-13 09:16:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Gahagan wrote:
If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.

Why are so many players whining on the forums about sucide ganks and the so called "non-consensual" PvP? Surely, they must have been aware of PvP in EVE when they signed up.
RAP ACTION HERO
#40 - 2012-05-13 09:18:18 UTC
Sri Nova wrote:
ill play .

how does eve achieve the adrenaline effect of the shakes ?

one can play battle field 3 all day and not even experience a minor tremble of excitement ( rage don't count here)

but in eve when it comes to pvp a large majority have experienced the adrenaline rush .

with eve being only a game what sets eve apart from the rest in this manner?


i am no doc but it is due to the consequences of losing ships and/or inflicting that loss on other people.

vitoc erryday