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Diamonica Norya
Pro Synergy
#21 - 2012-05-09 23:25:28 UTC
Soutiken Jin wrote:
Ive also been 90% into killing the last npc and the same thing happened, last hit > loot > warp out. Evil



Apparently by the wiki, it says the party that does most dmg to the rat owns the wreck, if you're 90% killing it, the wreck should be your's and you'd be able to shoot him for stealing. of course, if he's not flashy, i guess he just out dps'ed you in killing the overseer.

then again, if you got full aggro, you'd want to hunt him down under different circumstances, you know, a lot of ppl who flies tengu and doing highsec plex don't have pvp fits either, you might get the kill while the aggression timer is live.

other than that...make friends, or move to quieter regions like other ppl said.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-05-09 23:26:04 UTC
I don't have an issue with competition. But IMO I would love to see complexes work a little differently. There was an MMO I played a long time ago that had elements like this.

For plexes without gates, free for all. No issue there.

For plexes with gates. If you hit the first room and you have to clear the rats to unlock the gate, the gate unlocks for a short period. Then re locks. Someone coming after you would have to wait for the first room to respawn and then clear it to get through (I dunno 2-5 min respawn timer?)

In this case if you make it to the last room first, you at least get a window of opportunity before someone comes in to beat you.

While I don't mind competition, it does seem a bit unfair that someone can come in after you, and basically get a free ride to the last room.
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
#23 - 2012-05-09 23:34:09 UTC
It's just another negative effect of High Sec having crimewatch and CONCORD together with high payout PvE. Although you can end up shooting each other over stolen can loot. This doesn't have to a be a losing proposition for you as a new low SP player. If you know there's someone else in the system that will kill the Overseer before you can, let them jump in and take all the aggro first, then go for the Overseer yourself or just try to Ninja the loot. Think about it... It doesn't matter if they have a faction fitted Tengu, all you need is a T1 frig and you can still be the one that walks away with the goodies. Yes they might shoot you, but then many will not for fear that it's a trap to gain shooting rights on their expensive Tengu.
For'um Falt
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-05-09 23:40:36 UTC
It's fairly well balanced to be honest:

Hi-sec exploration - you compete with professional explorers

Lo-sec exploration - you evade profesional pirates

In either case it's not easy to be a new player and in all cases there will be someone in a better ship with better skills who will make you unhappy.

Missioning is special because most of the time it's super easy - they have a very nice introductory curve which is very friendly to newer players. Exploration, as many other professions in Eve, is not. Missioning gives that wrong idea that the game should adapt to your skills somehow and should give you content which is all yours and just right for your current skills.

Unlike missioning, there is no Level 1 or Level 2 Exploration. Plexes are either valuable or not. If they are, someone better is already doing them in hi-sec regardless of whether you are present in them or not.

I started exploration when I could barely fly a Drake and it was many moons ago. It will get better if you will stick to it but starting is hard no matter what. Regardless whether you do it in hi-sec or low. And I have lost more than one plex to shiny Tengus in hi-sec and I have lost more than one shiny Tengu in low-sec. You want to do exploration just be ready for all that crap. Learn, adapt, and things will change to the better.

i am a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#25 - 2012-05-10 02:33:33 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
I explore to fund my ships too. 1-2 hours also to find a decent site. If someone happens to be in the site already, the game is on. I'm not going to fly around for even more hours to find a plex with somebody already in it.There is no rule in eve that says: the first one in the plex is the owner. That's some arbitrary made up rule made by someone I don't acknowledge as a rulemaker. I play by MY rules, and my rules are: what's not in your cargo (or should I say station) isn't yours yet.

Having this mentality will make the game much less frustrating. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose.


Good Rule to fly by.

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt
Sefner
Banana Enterprises
#26 - 2012-05-10 04:16:10 UTC
Its only stealing if they loot a can/wreck that is flagged as yours and even then its a part of the game. Learn to blitz the sites as other people have suggested.

Also you seem to be under the impression that a Tengu is the only way to go if you want an exploration T3. I would hesitate to use a Legion solo for exploring (especially in Guristas space cos of the jamming) but as you sound like you are Gallente trained there is nothing wrong with a Proteus in that role. Invest in a decent MWD and you will outrun and outgun pretty much anyone jumping into "your" sites. Ishtar is also more than sufficient for the task.

I will hold my hands up and say I have jumped in on people running complexes and beaten them to the drop. How you respond to that happening will determine the outcome. If you msg them and have a little rant about them "stealing your site" they will (99.9% of the time) point and laugh and welcome you to Eve. If you msg them saying "wow thanks for the help, that last spawn nearly had me. Im pretty new to this and you seem to know what you are doing - any advice?" they will more than likely at least be civilised and maybe even split the value of whatever dropped with you (I have done this - it happens).
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-05-10 05:42:44 UTC
You should infiltrate his alliance, slowly work your way to the top, then rob them blind and disband them!
Mnemosyne Gloob
#28 - 2012-05-10 08:49:53 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
For plexes with gates. If you hit the first room and you have to clear the rats to unlock the gate, the gate unlocks for a short period. Then re locks. Someone coming after you would have to wait for the first room to respawn and then clear it to get through (I dunno 2-5 min respawn timer?)


So you want to have a safe spot (even if only temporarily)? As much as i dislike losing out against other ppl in complexes (and in lowsec this means gtfo much earlier if i don't have the means to put up a fight), this is a bad idea.

There imo might be a discussion about combat probing being 'too easy' now with all the formation resizing keys and so on, compared to time it takes to run complexes, but i am not sure if it is really an issue.

Sefner wrote:
but as you sound like you are Gallente trained there is nothing wrong with a Proteus in that role. Invest in a decent MWD and you will outrun and outgun pretty much anyone jumping into "your" sites. Ishtar is also more than sufficient for the task.


And have to get in the face of every single rat. :( I'll take my ishtar over proteus any time.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-05-10 09:20:36 UTC
Also, if you do Radars, set the character "Mnemosyne Gloob" as -10/red because he is a Radar thief and will steal your sites :O

Also, the locking plexes is a terrible idea, EVE is all about being able to gatecrash people's parties whenever you want
VIP Ares
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-05-11 07:49:21 UTC
Go out of high sec. Then kill him when he tries to do so.

http://www.balex.info/index.php/pilot_detail/47623/
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
The Whale Hunters Association
#31 - 2012-05-11 10:48:39 UTC
i steal plexs all the time, why?

because i can and it brings me funny chat logs

[13:39:43] Teddy Bare > why the **** do you have to be a douche?
[13:39:46] Teddy Bare > seriously
[13:39:51] Lilan Kahn > welcome to eve
[13:39:57] Teddy Bare > **** you ****
[13:40:07] Lilan Kahn > why so mad bra?
[13:40:15] Teddy Bare > coz you're a ******* moron
[13:40:22] Lilan Kahn > im a moron?
[13:40:28] Teddy Bare > yer, you are
[13:40:37] Lilan Kahn > guess thats why i got the loot
[13:40:42] Lilan Kahn > must be a moron thing
[13:40:46] Lilan Kahn > sucker
[13:41:16] Teddy Bare > lol, and you're the diplomatic contact.....
[13:41:25] Teddy Bare > nice corp there....
[13:41:42] Teddy Bare > go give your mum herpes!
[13:41:43] Lilan Kahn > i kill people for a living get over it
[13:41:48] Lilan Kahn > have a tissue
[13:42:12] Teddy Bare > you kill people for a living.... lol
[13:42:18] Teddy Bare > you **** into a jar?
[13:42:59] Lilan Kahn > no but it sounds like you speak from experiance, why do you do it?
Fr00b Snap
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-05-11 11:09:52 UTC
I had exact same problem just few weeks ago, enjoyed exploration but as i have low skills and can`t fly a decent blitzing ship, everyone and their mom were stealing my plexes. You have few choices here, first move to quiet area ie high sec island or start doing static plexes, on a good day of farming statics you can get few hundred millions iskies and all you need is to fly t1 frig. And you will get plenty of opportunities to steal other people loot. Hit me up ingame and i will give you good route for static plex farming.
Coolsmoke
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-05-11 20:57:30 UTC
Potentially fabulous isk for virtually zero isk.

That's highsec exploration.

And that's why you will, as a lower-skilled player, always be steamrollered by what I call (and here's an oxymoron) CareBear Bullies looking for the easy money. They will go all-out to out-dps you and whip that Overseer can/wreck out from under your nose, because it could be a 500mill+ drop and they can do it with impunity.

I've been there and done it, and profited from it.

If you're going to continue exploring in highsec, you have to accept that this will happen often until you're sufficiently skilled and experienced to compete. But there's one thing you can try, based on the fact that a proportion of these 'CBB's' are actually just yeller-bellied wimps.

Just try yellow-boxing (ie. target locking) them. It's perfectly legal in any highsec system, as long as that's all you do.

Sometimes it's enough for a CBB to actually GTFO in his 2.5b shiny T3.

Enough with the acronyms What?
Sir Livingston
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-05-11 21:14:03 UTC
Please don't play the victim. Adapt and win

Sci-fi games as played by an earthbound human in the 21st century http://www.youtube.com/JonnyPew
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-05-13 07:38:16 UTC
Soutiken Jin wrote:


Yes in this case. Its uneven competition, you kill the rats then some else with a bigger ship and 5x sp gets he reward. When youve been exploring for a week and found nada, and this happens, it basically wipes away all of your profit lol and to be honest wipes away my desire to play eve. Perhaps we should make it that its a race for mission rewards too? I mean "this is eve" and it houses some of the biggest badasses around.





Did I just hear someone say "uneven competition"? So someone who has a better ship and more SP should not get rewarded? The harder you work the more you deserve. The better you are at doing something the better your reward should be. Also, just so you don't get confused, one cleverness point is equal to 100 effort points. Because anyone can play for 9 years all day but only certain people can figure out how to do things better than others.

This is why EVE is the only MMO I will ever play c: You are not rewarded for your lack of thought or ambition.

Ferox #1
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-05-13 08:31:40 UTC
I never get rewarded for using creative and unique Ferox fits, fighting against insurmountable odds, while everyone else uses copy and pasted min/max cookie cutter ships!

CCP please nerf everyone else and buff me, thanks.
Rhealee
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-05-13 08:50:12 UTC
When i find people running missions or plexs i generally jump back out of system and wait at the gate to get my loot they just spent 30 mins farming for me. Most of the time i get even more rewarded by them allowing me to have their ship modules too.

In eve if you want to be successful you have to get others to do things for you. How you do it is up to you.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#38 - 2012-05-13 09:23:05 UTC
How can someone steal something that isn't yours?
GreenSeed
#39 - 2012-05-13 11:12:40 UTC  |  Edited by: GreenSeed
well, sadly your only option will be to do the sites faster yourself, something wich sadly might take you months to train up to.

in the mean time be on the lookout for other ppl to steal from... they would steal from you too. :D
Minor Buggeration
Shield Services
#40 - 2012-05-14 10:57:17 UTC
I've learnt quite a bit of non-English swear words from people I've beaten in a complex. I've also picked up a war dec from a particularly annoyed guy who was AFK halfway through a 4/10.

Having my Drake beaten by a Tengu also focussed the skill training!

So the more competition the better.
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