EVE General Discussion

well... yeah! but...

well, you should've known better!

Yes it does. Read it again, carefully:

You have your cargo hold open to keep an eye on your ammo. Now you want to loot a wreck you just created. How do the windows (plural) function when you click “open“ on that wreck? (ok, so I had a number error in the original — fixed now).

Hey folks.

I just wanted to restate what we said in the Dev blog for the Unified Inventory that we wanted to get feedback from those that use SiSi in order to address problems that would occur. We intended on following heavily up on the feedback, doing as much as possible before launch as well as doing even further iterations and fixes in the upcoming release. Team Game of Drones is committed to a new methodology of using the principals of User Centered Design, where the User Experience of our players drives our design decisions.

Not only did we collect all feedback from the Forums, personal posts, Twitter comments and other sources but we took the issues many of you like Grey Stormshadow, Tippia and other have been pointing out and created a User Testing plan which we facilitated last week. In the sessions the whole team observed the live feed and took notes on everything the participants did. We don't do User Tests because we don't believe you when you say there is a problem, we want to address it correctly and by seeing it in action with our own eyes, we can more easily find a solution to the problems you have found.

Once we had collected all the date from the tests we created stories and design updates which have either already been submitted to the next SiSi build, or we are actively working on or have been put into our backlog of work stories which we will address as priority stories before we start working on other features for next release.

I'm sorry if people that have given us feedback have felt we didn't listen in the past few days, I hope this post has re-instated that we actually listen and act accordingly and have simply been doing nothing else since the release of our blog. In the future, when we go through the feedback and create User Testing plans, we will make sure we reply to all the different discussion threads on the forums where we read the feedback, so that you all know that the feedback has been read, noted and addressed.

Thank you all for the feedback, you help us make better features and a special thanks to those that have gone above and beyond by bringing us very detailed and accurate constructive feedback, it does make a world of a difference for us.

It is very nice to hear from you and I believe now that you want to listen to us.

However I find it still bit unclear do you understand the importance of true multi window support (as in allowing us to open any amount of "extra" windows which will remember their size/position between sessions), are we going to get that functionality back and when does that happen.

I do understand that you don't want to answer this question if the answer is "never going to happen", but still - if that is the case you have to cough it out eventually... and if you will - player base will never accept the answer and you will be committing action which results to door version 2.0 (or in this case window 1.0). So this can not be what you're planning?

I really hope that I'm wrong while trying to figure out what is going on behind the curtain here.

Arrow never said that...

Arrow said "We don't do User Tests because we don't believe you when you say there is a problem, we want to address it correctly and by seeing it in action with our own eyes, we can more easily find a solution to the problems you have found."

It means that they don't do user tests because not believing us, but because they want to see the problems with their own eyes to solve the problems with the solutions they see the best.

There is no need to twist Arrows words, even the unclear issues with unified inventory are important and need to be addressed fully.

That video was probably one of the very best ways to get across the issues clearly on a rather difficult to describe issue.

I will say that the setup that Tippia uses is a bit eccentric compared to what many EVE players do on a daily basis (absolutely no offense intended, it does what you want it to do), however a setup like this should be possible.

So basically the main issues are settings/locations changing every time there is a session change, an update bug, and the behavior of windows you open for objects outside of your immediate ownership (wrecks/cans/etc.) could be made easier to deal with.

Sounds like these issues should be manageable, or an equitable alternative method created.

I have no idea what constraints CCP is under to roll this system out this release, it sounds like it would be very difficult for them NOT to roll it out at this point. Considering the amount of work, detail, questions, and effort they have expended on getting our feedback and begin addressing them, I don't have much doubt that if there are still issues come release day they will be ironed out shortly thereafter.

People still insisting that they are ignoring the issue are leaving the realm of well founded criticism behind and venturing deep into the territory of bullheaded stubborness. It's not going to kill anyone if we have to wait for some tweaks to be released to get things perfect for you again... provided we don't have to wait too long.

For those that have done such a good job of providing true constructive, detailed feedback, I say bravo gentlemen.

The daft part is when you think about it, the very few things it would make easier are the things left off the inventory.

I would have loved it if the Assets, Wallet and Market had been on it and they just left all the other right click items such as the cargo hold, cargo container, ore hold, maintenance bay, activate ship etc left as they are now on TQ.

But if anyone did click on the message on the D3 splash screen at login and actually went to the Inferno site you will find the UI is already displayed, integrated, done and dusted. Sorry guys, What You See Is What You Get . Unless they pull something really special out of the hat between now and Monday (3 programming days and counting ).

Well not really... but they shouldn't be using the master plan as excuse if some sub part of it doesn't work right. If this has something to do with dust - fine. If eve client has to be worse because of that - it's not fine.

And no - I couldn't know if you have brought the original unified inventory code from dust. All I know is that it has been extremely difficult to get actual answer to proper multi window issue. Will there be support for such or no? It is not difficult question.

So which Dev alt are you?


and btw... I DON'T WANT TO USE A FRACKING TREE!

Eve is not a file system. Eve is not an operating system. My cargo hold is not a folder. My ship is not a folder. This entire UI FARKS with the visual representation of things in their physical location, which is how my brain farking works with things that are in different locations. I am the guy that never uses the windows search function to find files, because I know where they are.


That tree really throws me for a loop... its so disorientating every time a new window is opened. And scrolling down it, It just doesn't make logical sense to my brain... I have to stop, and decipher things that used to be familiar to me, as though I just woke up with amnesia. This is wrong.