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EvE Online, The Antisocial MMO
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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-05-12 19:42:40 UTC
where is this "guaranteed 10 million ISK profit" that you speak of

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#22 - 2012-05-12 19:43:21 UTC
John Schlong wrote:
I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind.

So, you mean to say "come at me bro" ?

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John Schlong
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-05-12 19:47:38 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
John Schlong wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
just letting you know that a hauler loaded with two plexes dying to a destroyer is not indicative of a problem with the game


No, not a hauler with 2 plexs in it.

I was talking about someone loosing a 500mil fitted hulk and 800mil worth of implants (about 2 plexes worth) in a 1.0 system. Not because the belt was dangerous, but because there are throw-away alts in fully re-imbursed destroyers gaming the clone system, with a guaranteed 10 mil profit if they kill the hulk, even if they get zero loot.


oh, right, a 500 million isk untanked ship that is AFK dying to destroyers is not indicative of a problem in the game


He wasn't afk, he was mining. A ship warped in, then warped out, he thought it was someone just looking for belt rats to fight, so he didn't think to much about it. Several seconds later that same ship warps back in at a range of 1000m and kills him in the first volley. You don't have to be AFK to die in a point-blank alpha strike.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-05-12 19:48:53 UTC
you understand that no destroyer can one-volley a hulk, right?

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John Schlong
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-05-12 19:49:49 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
John Schlong wrote:
I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind.

So, you mean to say "come at me bro" ?


I was being sarcastic.
HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-05-12 19:53:11 UTC  |  Edited by: HVAC Repairman
John Schlong wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
John Schlong wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
just letting you know that a hauler loaded with two plexes dying to a destroyer is not indicative of a problem with the game


No, not a hauler with 2 plexs in it.

I was talking about someone loosing a 500mil fitted hulk and 800mil worth of implants (about 2 plexes worth) in a 1.0 system. Not because the belt was dangerous, but because there are throw-away alts in fully re-imbursed destroyers gaming the clone system, with a guaranteed 10 mil profit if they kill the hulk, even if they get zero loot.



10 whole mil.


I would sure like to make 10 mil for 10 minutes of work, it sure beats running missions for 1 mil isk each. But unlike a lot of the people on EvE and in the real world, I don't feel that easy money should come at the expense of others. I guess actually having a sense of ethics puts me at a disadvantage here.

Which isn't to say I'm opposed to fighting people, just do it the right way. There is a huge difference between challenging someone to a pistol dual (war dec), and shooting someone in the back of the head with a sniper rifle (suicide gank)

It's great that you have a sense of how the world should be but the reality is your vision of EVE and the reality of EVE are very different. E-Honor means nothing and the "lack of it" is a poor rationalization for not being being prepared to lose something expensive. One of the first things said in the Goon Newbie guide is never fly anything you can't afford to lose and I'd wish more people would take this to heart.

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Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-05-12 19:53:25 UTC
zama118 wrote:
wow

always amaze me that people think null is just full of goons


They run a good PR campaign, what can I say.
Will Rufus
One Horse Trading
#28 - 2012-05-12 19:53:46 UTC
Could people please stop posting links to that sad attempt at a pop promo by a bunch of geeks at some games company pretending to be a rock band. It's pathetic, just say toughen the **** up and get on with it.

Thankyou for you your time.
Blade Ripley
Hydra Squadron
#29 - 2012-05-12 19:53:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Blade Ripley
OP you are somewhat right and somewhat wrong. Goons might the largest alliance in EVE, but are still dwarfed next to the total server population. They might make lot of noise and generally take up more space than they deserve, but they are but one of many entities currently struggling for world dominance in EVE Online (albeit a rather successful one) Basically, claiming that EVE is "Goons online" is a such a wild exaggregation that it invalidates your entire case.

But I will still give you credit for one point. I have been playing this game for 5 years, and in those years I think the game has hardened significantly. Its "newbie friendliness" (not that it was very newbie friendly to begin with) has diminished, and the tone, both in-game and on the forums, has become sharper. The trolls, the scammers and the griefers have multiplied. Maybe this just reflects developments taking place in the outside (online) world, I dont know. Personally, I can just say that I have become less and less inclined to participate in any discussion on the forums due to this.

As for the corporation issue; it is indeed very important to play EVE in a player corporation to get the full EVE experience. Play it solo (or in a bad corp), and you will just scratch the surface of what this game has to offer. The trouble is, you will probably not realize just how significant an impact a good player corp has on your EVE experience until after the fact. Just telling you will not help. You have to experience it yourself. Its a very "matrixy" phenomenom Big smile
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-05-12 19:54:27 UTC
HVAC Repairman wrote:
One if the first things said in the Goon Newbie guide is never fly anything you can't afford to lose and I'd wish more people would take this to heart.


No you see, that doesn't apply in hisec, this is evident because

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-05-12 19:59:42 UTC
John Schlong wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
just letting you know that a hauler loaded with two plexes dying to a destroyer is not indicative of a problem with the game


No, not a hauler with 2 plexs in it.

I was talking about someone loosing a 500mil fitted hulk and 800mil worth of implants (about 2 plexes worth) in a 1.0 system. Not because the belt was dangerous, but because there are throw-away alts in fully re-imbursed destroyers gaming the clone system, with a guaranteed 10 mil profit if they kill the hulk, even if they get zero loot.


So I guess the belt WAS dangerous after all?

I used to cruise around in a Proteus doing highsec plexes. And I STILL didn't feel totally safe. Unless he literally just bought all that stuff last week, he'd have had loads of time to make the ISK back. I really don't have a huge amount of sympathy for him.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2012-05-12 20:01:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
eve-online is also the only mmo where the devs made a music video calling customers like this a huge whiny pussylol
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#33 - 2012-05-12 20:02:03 UTC
John Schlong wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
John Schlong wrote:
I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind.

So, you mean to say "come at me bro" ?


I was being sarcastic.

Oh. You should have said so.

I was about to think it was an invitation to make use of in-game mechanics in order to apply explosions to your ship and take your stuff.

Silly EVEO forums.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-05-12 20:02:28 UTC
Blade Ripley wrote:

As for the corporation issue; it is indeed very important to play EVE in a player corporation to get the full EVE experience. Play it solo (or in a bad corp), and you will just scratch the surface of what this game has to offer. The trouble is, you will probably not realize just how significant an impact a good player corp has on your EVE experience until after the fact. Just telling you will not help. You have to experience it yourself. Its a very "matrixy" phenomenom Big smile


And judging by how long Goonswarm have been around, they certainly seem to qualify as a "good player corp". Basically the social ties and obligations of playing with likeminded people will keep you interested in the game long after the game mechanics themselves stop being interesting.
Wilma Lawson
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-05-12 20:03:07 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Rath Kelbore wrote:
The most carebearingest bastards are in nullsec btw.


lol what

Indeed, you've been duped!
Wilma Lawson
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2012-05-12 20:04:12 UTC
Takseen wrote:
zama118 wrote:
wow

always amaze me that people think null is just full of goons


They run a good PR campaign, what can I say.

They do. It's a propaganda war!
JitaPriceChecker2
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-05-12 20:05:05 UTC
It is opposite to what troll OP states.

Good socialization in eve is the most important factor.
Trust is the only thing you cant buy.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2012-05-12 20:05:56 UTC
The game is only anti-social if you play it that way. If you ever join a serious PVP corp you will find that working together is essential for success.

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John Schlong
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-05-12 20:06:32 UTC
Blade Ripley wrote:
OP you are somewhat right and somewhat wrong. Goons might the largest alliance in EVE, but are still dwarfed next to the total server population. They might make lot of noise and generally take up more space than they deserve, but they are but one of many entities currently struggling for world dominance in EVE Online (albeit a rather successful one) Basically, claiming that EVE is "Goons online" is a such a wild exaggregation that it invalidates your entire case.

But I will still give you credit for one point. I have been playing this game for 5 years, and in those years I think the game has hardened significantly. Its "newbie friendliness" (not that it was very newbie friendly to begin with) has diminished, and the tone, both in-game and on the forums, has become sharper. The trolls, the scammers and the griefers have multiplied. Maybe this just reflects developments taking place in the outside (online) world, I dont know. Personally, I can just say that I have become less and less inclined to participate in any discussion on the forums due to this.

As for the corporation issue; it is indeed very important to play EVE in a player corporation to get the full EVE experience. Play it solo (or in a bad corp), and you will just scratch the surface of what this game has to offer. The trouble is, you will probably not realize just how significant an impact a good player corp has on your EVE experience until after the fact. Just telling you will not help. You have to experience it yourself. Its a very "matrixy" phenomenom Big smile


I have realized that I need to join a real corp and I'm in the process of trying to decide which one. My main complaint here was just the overall unfriendliness of the most vocal players, especially the ones from goonwaffe who don't say anything more intelligent that "cry some more" and "can I has ur stuff"

I'm not saying that eve has turned into "goons online" but that could very well happen if hulkageddon and suicide ganking become a consistent part of the game and not just a "player event"

I WANT to play eve, and I WANT to enjoy the experience, but there are too many people that think eve MUST be PvP, 24/7, in EVERY system.
Aerethir El-Kharisti
#40 - 2012-05-12 20:08:32 UTC
One note to the OP: I can testify that there are nice corps out there.

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