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Dear CCP, Alliance Bookmarks Now plox?!?
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Frau Leinsmarch
Mimics
#1 - 2012-05-12 19:33:20 UTC
Dear CCP,

Your addition of corp bookmarks made us wormhole dwellers cry out in joy, you have made this game a whole lot more fun with this simple addition. Alas we implore you to take it that bit further!

Our alliance likes to create long chains of bookmarks through WH space, this makes our time in eve all the more enjoyable. Only problem is transfering bookmarks, of said chains, between corporations.

Please see attachment A:

http://i48.tinypic.com/16i8lg6.png

This is a SS of our WH system map last night, with over 76 systems mapped totaling 146 WH bookmarks it is a real chore to copy 146 bookmarks in groups of no more than 5 at a time. Another problem we encountered was that we actualy reached the corp bookmark limit last night.

Please Please Please make it priority to add alliance bookmarks, or in its place rework the bookmark coppying restrictions, perhaps limiting the amount of bookmarks that can be copied at any one time per system? Alturnatively create a que for bookmark coppying instead of the 5 at a time limit per player.

In summary, THANKS! Please follow up on your great progress!
Spujax
Team Pizza
Good at this Game
#2 - 2012-05-12 20:13:00 UTC
I remember them explaining that alliance BMs would be challenging because of how alliances are programmed into the game. The specifics are escaping me, but if my memory is serving me, it had to do with the fact that alliances don't actually exist in the same way corporations do. I know its kinda a crappy answer, but they were very clear that it isn't such an easy task.
Korvus Falek
Depraved Corruption
#3 - 2012-05-12 21:30:55 UTC
Our alliance likes to create long chains of bookmarks through WH space

this is your problem. Make shorter chains less often.
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-05-13 05:45:45 UTC
Frau Leinsmarch wrote:
This is a SS of our WH system map last night, with over 76 systems mapped totaling 146 WH bookmarks it is a real chore to copy 146 bookmarks in groups of no more than 5 at a time. Another problem we encountered was that we actualy reached the corp bookmark limit last night.
Are you seriously keeping that much bookmarks? Bookmarks that are only valid for at maximum another 2 days? That's some serious kind of work but I don't really see the value.
Hathrul
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-05-13 12:22:13 UTC
actually, theyre only valid until they collapse the chain

however, if you dont see the value, you obviously have never been in wormhole space :)
Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-05-13 13:55:41 UTC
/signed

gief alliance bm's
Qui Shon
Lone Wolf Freelancers
#7 - 2012-05-13 16:19:46 UTC
No.
Go to null you behemoth blobbers Cool
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#8 - 2012-05-13 17:07:02 UTC
1. You do not need to share the return bookmarks if you use an intelligent naming system where the default "Wormhole" bookmark names are the returns toward home.
2. Your chain is hardly impressive, try having a chain of ~70 c5s in almost a neat row(some lower classes sprinkled in between).
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#9 - 2012-05-14 09:43:15 UTC
I hope that some day we will be able to share bookmarks with anyone simply based on standings. Seriously, any location in space is just a pair of three coordinates. Since we can communicate with everyone everywhere, it shouldn't be a problem to broadcast "that wormhole is in system abc at coordinates x,y,z" to anyone we want to.

For security as well as server load and balance issues, this bookmark sharing could be restricted to the system you are currently in; you can't see all the bookmarks shared with you listed in people&places, only those that are in your current system. So the sharing corp still had to tell you "go to system abc and warp to BM named xyz".

.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2012-05-14 10:22:51 UTC
I might be in the minority, but I feel corp bookmarks destroyed part of the excitement in w-space.

Yes, they are very handy, but sharing physical bookmarks (and not having them) provided also interesting gameplay.

It's very difficult to become trapped anymore.

.
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#11 - 2012-05-14 18:41:25 UTC
Messoroz wrote:
1. You do not need to share the return bookmarks if you use an intelligent naming system where the default "Wormhole" bookmark names are the returns toward home.
2. Your chain is hardly impressive, try having a chain of ~70 c5s in almost a neat row(some lower classes sprinkled in between).


mess is such a ****, jeez.

I ♥ the orthrus
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-05-14 20:50:50 UTC
So basically you don't want to have to scan when in Wormhole space.

That's swell.
Wolvun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-05-14 21:06:00 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
So basically you don't want to have to scan when in Wormhole space.

That's swell.



No those Bm's in the maps just magically appeared. Roll
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#14 - 2012-05-14 22:30:03 UTC
Ayeson wrote:
Messoroz wrote:
1. You do not need to share the return bookmarks if you use an intelligent naming system where the default "Wormhole" bookmark names are the returns toward home.
2. Your chain is hardly impressive, try having a chain of ~70 c5s in almost a neat row(some lower classes sprinkled in between).


mess is such a ****, jeez.



Mess is pillar of dignity and class in the Eve Community

No trolling please
Hathrul
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-05-15 01:30:06 UTC
Roime wrote:
I might be in the minority, but I feel corp bookmarks destroyed part of the excitement in w-space.

Yes, they are very handy, but sharing physical bookmarks (and not having them) provided also interesting gameplay.

It's very difficult to become trapped anymore.


becomming trapped is just bad playing.

though i can see how in small corps its not much of a problem, in the big c5/6 alliances with dozens of players running around it would take ages to copy bm's. especially since it takes like half an hour to load a bunch of bookmarks into a can, to copy them etc. we'd have fleets waiting for half an hour before they could leave simply because of sharing bookmarks. Thats just not fun.

And yes, give us bookmarks based on everything. I want alliance bookmarks, bookmarks based on standings, and fleet wide bookmarks. i want to be able to set access levels to bookmarks, copy them all at the same time, and not have to wait 3 days for a stupid can to load because there is a bookmark in there. And mainly because waiting is never fun. we want to shoot people, not wait for fancy pins to load and then drag them 35 times to make sure people know where they are going
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-05-15 03:03:25 UTC
People complaining about BM sharing are just lazy, end of story.
I do agree that if corp BMs exist so should alliance BMs but seriously, it's not that big an issue.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2012-05-15 05:03:27 UTC
Hathrul wrote:


becomming trapped is just bad playing.

though i can see how in small corps its not much of a problem, in the big c5/6 alliances with dozens of players running around it would take ages to copy bm's. especially since it takes like half an hour to load a bunch of bookmarks into a can, to copy them etc. we'd have fleets waiting for half an hour before they could leave simply because of sharing bookmarks. Thats just not fun.

And yes, give us bookmarks based on everything. I want alliance bookmarks, bookmarks based on standings, and fleet wide bookmarks. i want to be able to set access levels to bookmarks, copy them all at the same time, and not have to wait 3 days for a stupid can to load because there is a bookmark in there. And mainly because waiting is never fun. we want to shoot people, not wait for fancy pins to load and then drag them 35 times to make sure people know where they are going


Becoming trapped was bad playing, now it's nearly impossible.

I certainly don't want the terrible lag and stupid copying restrictions back, just think that corp bookmarks took away some of the danger of w-space.

Also shooting scanners has zero strategic meaning, the bookmarks are shared already.

.
Bloemkoolsaus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-05-15 08:51:32 UTC
Roime wrote:
Becoming trapped was bad playing, now it's nearly impossible.

I certainly don't want the terrible lag and stupid copying restrictions back, just think that corp bookmarks took away some of the danger of w-space.


I disagree. The risk of becoming trapped has not changed. If a wh collapses you are just as trapped with corp bm as without. If a bm is missing and you're in the chain, you didn't check good enough before entering the chain.
The only thing that changed with corp bm is the waiting que at bookmark cans from half an hour to no que! yay!


Roime wrote:
Also shooting scanners has zero strategic meaning, the bookmarks are shared already.


Any decent fleet has a couple of scouts, and only one will jump in to asses the situation. The other cloakies take the bookmark back or provide warpins. No changes here really.
Frau Leinsmarch
Mimics
#19 - 2012-05-15 09:40:14 UTC
Messoroz wrote:
1. You do not need to share the return bookmarks if you use an intelligent naming system where the default "Wormhole" bookmark names are the returns toward home.
2. Your chain is hardly impressive, try having a chain of ~70 c5s in almost a neat row(some lower classes sprinkled in between).


wow, you want a hand removing that stick from your arse or do you enjoy its presence there?

Roime wrote:
Hathrul wrote:


becomming trapped is just bad playing.

though i can see how in small corps its not much of a problem, in the big c5/6 alliances with dozens of players running around it would take ages to copy bm's. especially since it takes like half an hour to load a bunch of bookmarks into a can, to copy them etc. we'd have fleets waiting for half an hour before they could leave simply because of sharing bookmarks. Thats just not fun.

And yes, give us bookmarks based on everything. I want alliance bookmarks, bookmarks based on standings, and fleet wide bookmarks. i want to be able to set access levels to bookmarks, copy them all at the same time, and not have to wait 3 days for a stupid can to load because there is a bookmark in there. And mainly because waiting is never fun. we want to shoot people, not wait for fancy pins to load and then drag them 35 times to make sure people know where they are going


Becoming trapped was bad playing, now it's nearly impossible.

I certainly don't want the terrible lag and stupid copying restrictions back, just think that corp bookmarks took away some of the danger of w-space.

Also shooting scanners has zero strategic meaning, the bookmarks are shared already.


Any decent wormholer would have probes on a ship used for a closing op or even had the slightest chance of being trapped.

Any decent wormhole corp/alliance has plenty of competent probers who can easily escape WH camps in order to distribute bookmarks.
AdZc
Legio Prima Victrix
#20 - 2012-05-15 13:12:28 UTC
Might wanna post in the actual Ideas forum?
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