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CCP - no really...when is mining going to be a good profession again?

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Adria Origin
Yar Har Fiddle Di Dee
#221 - 2012-05-11 02:57:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Adria Origin
CPT JHawk007 wrote:


You obviously dont think outside the box ofcourse theres Buy Order everyone knows that. What i was suggesting is that Corporations need ore to construct ships mods ect so they create an Contract saying they need this this and this, then a mining corp says ok this we can do lets do this and complete the contract and get paid.

For example say you wanted 40mil tritanium, 10mil pyrite and 5 mill in Mexilon and you dont have miners to do it so you set up a contract to hire miners to do it for you and you pay them for the ore and now you have the mats you need for construction.

Buy orders are only for miners wanting to sell ore to people for the highest price. This does not help miners with goals other than giving minere isk in their pockets. While Mining contracts are goals for miners to take on contracts to help improve themselves and other corporations and being recommended for more contracts you complete. Also gives competiton to other mining corporations.

I see no difference.

Make a want to buy contract for those 3 minerals and tada. Same. Exact. Thing.
CPT JHawk007
Heavy Metal Task Force
#222 - 2012-05-11 03:41:24 UTC
Adria Origin wrote:
CPT JHawk007 wrote:


You obviously dont think outside the box ofcourse theres Buy Order everyone knows that. What i was suggesting is that Corporations need ore to construct ships mods ect so they create an Contract saying they need this this and this, then a mining corp says ok this we can do lets do this and complete the contract and get paid.

For example say you wanted 40mil tritanium, 10mil pyrite and 5 mill in Mexilon and you dont have miners to do it so you set up a contract to hire miners to do it for you and you pay them for the ore and now you have the mats you need for construction.

Buy orders are only for miners wanting to sell ore to people for the highest price. This does not help miners with goals other than giving minere isk in their pockets. While Mining contracts are goals for miners to take on contracts to help improve themselves and other corporations and being recommended for more contracts you complete. Also gives competiton to other mining corporations.

I see no difference.

Make a want to buy contract for those 3 minerals and tada. Same. Exact. Thing.


Sure, if you want to spend more to beat other buy orders and probably wait days, weeks or months before your buy order/s is complete.

While in a contract he could have his order done in a day or 2
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#223 - 2012-05-11 04:32:40 UTC
Will get back to you on this OP.

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Adria Origin
Yar Har Fiddle Di Dee
#224 - 2012-05-11 04:36:17 UTC
CPT JHawk007 wrote:

Sure, if you want to spend more to beat other buy orders and probably wait days, weeks or months before your buy order/s is complete.

While in a contract he could have his order done in a day or 2

Pay attention. I did not say buy order. I said a want to buy contract.

And no one would sell for less than Jita sell anyway because that would be stupid.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#225 - 2012-05-11 04:53:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Adria Origin wrote:
CPT JHawk007 wrote:

Sure, if you want to spend more to beat other buy orders and probably wait days, weeks or months before your buy order/s is complete.

While in a contract he could have his order done in a day or 2

Pay attention. I did not say buy order. I said a want to buy contract.

And no one would sell for less than Jita sell anyway because that would be stupid.

One difference is the contract means they must give you that exact amount of things. You don't find yourseld 5 trit short, or find that you got the trit and pyerite, but no mexallon.

If you don't give better than buy orders, :welp: and if you do, someone might arbitrage you. Presumably you don't care if it was mined or just autopilot freighter-ed from whereever.

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Adria Origin
Yar Har Fiddle Di Dee
#226 - 2012-05-11 04:58:34 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

One difference is the contract means they must give you that exact amount of things. You don't find yourseld 5 trit short, or find that you got the trit and pyerite, but no mexallon.

If you don't give better than buy orders, :welp: and if you do, someone might arbitrage you. Presumably you don't care if it was mined or just autopilot freighter-ed from whereever.

The way he made it sound that is exactly what he wants. "Bring me x and y and z. No more, no less"

No matter how he wants it no one will ever sell for less than market.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#227 - 2012-05-11 06:04:14 UTC
Adria Origin wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

One difference is the contract means they must give you that exact amount of things. You don't find yourseld 5 trit short, or find that you got the trit and pyerite, but no mexallon.

If you don't give better than buy orders, :welp: and if you do, someone might arbitrage you. Presumably you don't care if it was mined or just autopilot freighter-ed from whereever.

The way he made it sound that is exactly what he wants. "Bring me x and y and z. No more, no less"

No matter how he wants it no one will ever sell for less than market.

It's silly anyway - the mineral market is pretty damn deep and you are hardly in danger shipping some minerals around in highsec.

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Conrad Lionhart
#228 - 2012-05-11 07:04:20 UTC
I have above average mining skills, and when I calculated my profit rate for mining in null sec a few months ago, mining does give lower profit rate compared to ratting in anomalies.

Not only that, mining requires you use the vulnerable hulk that is slow to reach warp speed.
You also have to haul the ores out in order to sell in high sec, whereas ratting gives you cold hard cash instantly. That again requires another transport ship.
Null sec with high industry index also attracts more gankers to your system.

If mining hasn't been buffed in the last few months, mining does seem like a less desirable profession because not only do they give less profit than ratting, it is more dangerous and more of a hassle compared to ratting. Why mine when you can rat?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#229 - 2012-05-11 07:43:39 UTC
Never if the griefing thread is accurate. Grow a pair and train combat skills so when you get ganked you can hop in a ship an kill them.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Kreeia Dgore
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#230 - 2012-05-11 08:42:27 UTC
Mining more fun? Count me in!
I would actually prefer mining being more fun AND lowsec mining being more profitable, so there would be a logical next step from highsec mining leading to more profitable and fun activity, but in time i suppose even this may happen.
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#231 - 2012-05-12 05:52:36 UTC
Adria Origin wrote:
Ziranda Hakuli, you do realize they are the ones buying your ships and minerals you are selling in high sec?

It's a never ending cycle. My proposal does make them work for it. It makes everyone work for it.

Right now you do NOT work for what you mine. You semi-afk and watch TV, youtube, or something else. It's zero effort. It's not playing, it's afking. It's the game you "play" while playing other games.


See what happens i turn my back for a few days and here someone comes in and thinks they know what i do in Eve. hmmm...lets see...i can honestly say i do NOT mine. rat blow **** up maybe have blown you up but never tell someone what they do in eve when you DO NOT have a clue from the pie hole and brown hole you speak from.

Hell i stopped mining over a year ago
Domer Pyle
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#232 - 2012-05-12 06:46:07 UTC
i like mining. it's rather peaceful, watching the pretty blue lines shimmer softly in front of a backdrop of endless space, as shiny rocks slowly tumble over and over. you just have to have the right mindset...and a nice tv :P

"Imagine if the bars to your prison were all you had ever known. Then one day, someone appears and unlocks the door. If they have the power to do this, then are they really the liberator? You never remembered who it was that closed you in." - Ior Labron
FluffyDice
Kronos Research
#233 - 2012-05-12 08:45:48 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
You act as if the game revolves around your playstyle. It doesn't.

Oh but it does. It really does.

If it didn't you wouldn't be making these whine threads about mining being crap.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#234 - 2012-05-12 15:39:53 UTC
FluffyDice wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
You act as if the game revolves around your playstyle. It doesn't.

Oh but it does. It really does.

If it didn't you wouldn't be making these whine threads about mining being crap.

No that means they think it does.

But it doesn't. Aha~

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#235 - 2012-05-12 15:55:04 UTC
The way I see it, the only way to make mining respectable/needed is to:
1) remove every mineral from the game so that those huge stores are gone.
2) make roids rare.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#236 - 2012-05-12 15:58:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Corina Jarr wrote:
The way I see it, the only way to make mining respectable/needed is to:
1) remove every mineral from the game so that those huge stores are gone.
2) make roids rare.

Yeah, lets just remove all those minerals that people own. That'll be perfectly fine and not intervening in a massive way.

Maybe next, all Catalysts and Tornados deleted?

+1 excellent troll.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#237 - 2012-05-12 16:05:04 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
The way I see it, the only way to make mining respectable/needed is to:
1) remove every mineral from the game so that those huge stores are gone.
2) make roids rare.

Yeah, lets just remove all those minerals that people own. That'll be perfectly fine and not intervening in a massive way.

Maybe next, all Catalysts and Tornados deleted?

+1 excellent troll.

Rather serious actually.

Mining will never be respected until miners (as a group) stop whining and learn how to adapt to changing conditions.
They have a way to mine and be 99.9% safe from ganking, yet they choose to sit afk/stationary because it is easier.


And since changing human behavior is very difficult (as proven by the lack of adaptation by the lazy miners), making miners needed is the closest thing we could get.

And the only way to do that is to use up the massive stores of minerals.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#238 - 2012-05-12 16:11:08 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
The way I see it, the only way to make mining respectable/needed is to:
1) remove every mineral from the game so that those huge stores are gone.
2) make roids rare.

Yeah, lets just remove all those minerals that people own. That'll be perfectly fine and not intervening in a massive way.

Maybe next, all Catalysts and Tornados deleted?

+1 excellent troll.

Rather serious actually.

Mining will never be respected until miners (as a group) stop whining and learn how to adapt to changing conditions.
They have a way to mine and be 99.9% safe from ganking, yet they choose to sit afk/stationary because it is easier.


And since changing human behavior is very difficult (as proven by the lack of adaptation by the lazy miners), making miners needed is the closest thing we could get.

And the only way to do that is to use up the massive stores of minerals.


or get a few tens of thousands to quit and see what the knee jerk ccP does. It might even break the .... hey... Good job Goons, thats how youre gonna do it

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#239 - 2012-05-12 17:20:06 UTC
I really do not see why there is so much hate toward the mining profession. Seriously, is mining really so detrimental to how others play that game? All CCP needs to do is put some creative thought into how mining is accomplished in this game to make it more interactive.
Whitehound
#240 - 2012-05-12 17:31:28 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
I really do not see why there is so much hate toward the mining profession. Seriously, is mining really so detrimental to how others play that game? All CCP needs to do is put some creative thought into how mining is accomplished in this game to make it more interactive.

There is no hate. Bullies do not hate the weak. They love the weak, because the weak do not fight back or cannot fight back. When you do not want to be in the focus of the attacks then do not go mining.

You should give CCP more time. They only now made the profession more important. What would be the point of making mining ships stronger when they play only a small role in the production of minerals? Expect some more love to come, but there is little point in pushing it or becoming desperate over it.

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