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Looks like we're winning the war: Highsec mining drops by HALF!
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#61 - 2012-05-12 08:46:09 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Catalyst: 1.4m
Light Neutron Blaster II: 1.3m*8=10.4m
Gunnery Mods: 3 million
Everything Else: ~ a few hundred thousand

Total Value: 15 million
Surviving Mods: 6.8 million, assuming 50% survival rate for modules
Sunk Cost: 8.2 million per Catalyst


Roll

You're doing it wrong. Switching from T2 to T1 means you can use 2 catalysts for this job, and afford an Orca full of Catalysts for the same price as those guns of yours.

Now factor in the salvage and loot from the Hulk or Mackinaw you just killed.

It's really not that hard to do it right.

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Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#62 - 2012-05-12 08:57:40 UTC
Romar Agent wrote:
James 315 wrote:
Looks like we're winning the war: Highsec mining drops by HALF!
We are at war?

Anyhow, a guy with that much time on his hands would be useful to any organization.

Please inquire for a job at Kor-Azor Prime, Moon Griklaeum, Ishukone Corporation Factory, we still need someone to count our minerals (doing something useful for a achange).

James 315 wrote:
...
The majority of human highsec miners have quit mining.
...
We would hope so, the less unwanted competitors the better. We can already feel the higher minerals prices in our wallet. Though I still see to many competitors where we operate.

James 315 wrote:
... In light of these facts, we must now realize that the extinction of highsec mining is not just an impossible dream anymore. ...
I'm waiting...

... still ...

... perhaps some of those fabled Hulkageddon gankers would care to show up one day?
R0me0 Charl1e
Easy A Industries
#63 - 2012-05-12 08:58:20 UTC
I can see only good things from these events. This is making EVE a healthier place to live in.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#64 - 2012-05-12 09:06:53 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Catalyst: 1.4m
Light Neutron Blaster II: 1.3m*8=10.4m
Gunnery Mods: 3 million
Everything Else: ~ a few hundred thousand

Total Value: 15 million
Surviving Mods: 6.8 million, assuming 50% survival rate for modules
Sunk Cost: 8.2 million per Catalyst


Roll

You're doing it wrong. Switching from T2 to T1 means you can use 2 catalysts for this job, and afford an Orca full of Catalysts for the same price as those guns of yours.

Now factor in the salvage and loot from the Hulk or Mackinaw you just killed.

It's really not that hard to do it right.

Do you gank Hulks?

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-05-12 09:08:38 UTC
I enjoy not logging in, but watching my wallet keep going higher. Nothing like buying a bunch of stuff, putting them up on market marked up dramatically and waiting for this to happen.

People were saying I was crazy and no way my wares would sell. Now they are flying off the shelves. Thank you Hulkaggedon participants for making me more rich.

/tips hat
Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-05-12 09:53:50 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Catalyst: 1.4m
Light Neutron Blaster II: 1.3m*8=10.4m
Gunnery Mods: 3 million
Everything Else: ~ a few hundred thousand

Total Value: 15 million
Surviving Mods: 6.8 million, assuming 50% survival rate for modules
Sunk Cost: 8.2 million per Catalyst


Roll

You're doing it wrong. Switching from T2 to T1 means you can use 2 catalysts for this job, and afford an Orca full of Catalysts for the same price as those guns of yours.

Now factor in the salvage and loot from the Hulk or Mackinaw you just killed.

It's really not that hard to do it right.


Yes, and another account is free of charge, right? Not to mention the time inefficiency and increased risk factor of using multiple accounts.

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Perramas
DreddNaut
#67 - 2012-05-12 11:20:22 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
I once sat next to a miner in my tengu and it warped out. When i told him that i was not going to gank him in my ship he said that he could not be sure.

Which adds evidence that miners have the least knowledge about this game than any other profession.


Or the miner was smart enough to know you could warp in a gang of cheap throw away ships right on top of him to blow him up.

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people- Eleanor Roosevelt

Grishken
Allied Mining Technologies
#68 - 2012-05-12 11:24:48 UTC
Maybe its me but I haven't noticed anything different in my mining operations. Except maybe that I am making more money with the price increases.
Testerxnot Sheepherder
Get Isk or Die Mining
#69 - 2012-05-12 11:46:22 UTC
Less miners is indeed healthy for EVE.

OP however, is like an annoying parasitic ******* bacteria, i.e. unhealthy for EVE.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2012-05-12 11:58:10 UTC
James 315 wrote:

...
My own observations, corroborated by the dedicated bot-watchers in Crime & Punishment, have actually seen a proportionate increase in botting of late; a new network of easily-identified botters is crawling over the belts in highsec as we speak.

What's happened is that the human miners, unlike the bots, became aware of Hulkageddon and have ceased mining. When humans abandoned the belts, the bots became a larger percentage of those left behind, and they stand out more. For example, a new type of ice-mining bot, very common today, flocks in the ice fields. They use an identical ship name scheme (a space before the ship name, easy to spot groups of them using your D-scanner), and they warp out one-by-one if you lock them. I have cleared out entire ice fields with a frigate just by locking up the bots, because there are no humans left mining there.

The drop in mining has been disproportionately--perhaps entirely--caused by a decline in the number of human miners, not bots. Thus, the decrease in mining among humans in highsec is greater than 45.53%. We don't have official statistics on what percentage of the total mining in highsec is done by bots, but by all accounts it's a hefty amount. Therefore, this is the bottom line:

The majority of human highsec miners have quit mining.
- 315

so basically you support botting and do all you can to replace human miners with bots?

why you still aren't banned? Shocked

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Drunken Bum
#71 - 2012-05-12 14:49:45 UTC
I wonder when gankers are gonna realise that they're just as sad, if not as sad, as the pathetic miners they're ganking. Quit bragging about killing miners. Its like a teenager bragging that they beat down a toddler. There is no war here. Just a buncha scrubs killing scrubs that cant/wont/dont fight back.

After the patch we're giving the market some gentle supply restriction, like tying one wrist to the bedpost loosely with soft silk rope. Just enough to make things a bit more exciting for the market, not enough to make a safeword necessary.  -Fozzie
Whitehound
#72 - 2012-05-12 14:54:32 UTC
When you go to EVE Markets / Veldspar and click on the history tab can you see how much the volume has dropped.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Anslo
Scope Works
#73 - 2012-05-12 15:01:47 UTC
Enjoy your 700mil tier 1 "gank" BS scum.

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Tikera Tissant
#74 - 2012-05-12 15:10:49 UTC
James 315 wrote:

The majority of human highsec miners have quit mining.



I'll just out the obvious, as I didn't read the whole thread.

Once hulkaggedon is over, miners will go back to mining, the goons will go and start shooting at someone other than highsec'ers, and everything will go back to normal, as nothing happened.

It might take a month or two, but it will happen.

The fact that the current hulkaggedon is longer, will just cause the return of the miners to be delayed a bit longer.

Quote:
Yes, and another account is free of charge, right? Not to mention the time inefficiency and increased risk factor of using multiple accounts.


If you have enough isk and enough income, a second account is free, and with the right machine multi-boxing is as easy as pie.
All you need is plex. And with enough ganking, you can make a living out of it.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#75 - 2012-05-12 15:17:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
I'd just like to add that if a large, null-sec alliance REALLY needed minerals, and it was impossible to procure them through normal means, its leadership would probably coordinate with allies, schedule a fleet, send some pings, and lo and behold, next thing you know there would be a multifaceted operation with 100 exhumers, 30 logistics, 15 orcas, 10 rorquals and a couple titans to bridge everyone around, plus 200 armor hacs w/ support on patrol spewing bubbles everywhere to protect the fleet, plus 25 carriers and 15 supercarriers on standby within jump range, a wing of stealth bombers patrolling the region, and rifterswarms guarding all the gates. And the entire constellation would probably be clear of ore within a few hours.

Perhaps people should make some friends, come to nullsec and start playing the real game.


Those AHACs would get instapop'd by Minnie HACs/Recons. Arty power!

Still waiting that Rokh killmail in 1.0... Seriously, pvp'ers show how good you really are.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#76 - 2012-05-12 15:29:59 UTC
Pro-tip: OP gets an erection hearing himself speak, probably likes to type out his massively long wall of texts about the lol-issue that mining is and then read it aloud to make sure his long windbag speech sounds ok.

While we are on the subject, can we just have CCP remove strip miners, mining lasers, and the refinement skill for modules (no need to refund the SP, the characters will no longer be used) to just prevent harvesting of more minerals. BLAM! Single headshot to the knee, kill the entire issue all at once and we no longer need the players to keep up the work of telling CCP how ******* poor this stupid idea of theirs has been for the last nine years (Yes CCP, mining was a **** poor boring ass profession and you are welcome for us the customers informing you). We should at least have another 6-9 months worth of ore and minerals until till demand drops and the market can dictate the price...god I would love to see a 300m rifter that wasn't set up as a scam...and then everyone will start feeling real losses when they can no longer replace their ships (and rookie ships become the new blob fleet)
Reicheck
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2012-05-12 16:16:18 UTC
No More Heroes wrote:
These are great days we're living, bros. We are jolly green goons, walking New Eden with guns. These people we wasted here this month are the finest miners we will ever know. After we rotate back to Deklein, we're gonna miss not having anyone around that's worth shooting.



I am not very fond of GSF, but you sir, have earned a special place in my heart. Full Metal Goons, makes me smile.


As for the OP. Blah blah blah. You take yourself too seriously.
So.. moar txt plz!!!!111

No sig here.
Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
#78 - 2012-05-12 16:22:36 UTC
Thanx to the effort. I even pulled ot my dusty hulk to make some afk iskies. Prices are definately going the right way for me to bother making some afk isk.
nubile slave
Advanced Weapon Supplement League
Fraternity.
#79 - 2012-05-12 16:27:04 UTC
Perhaps OP could explain the drop in mineral prices? And the fact that whole areas of Eve Highsec seem to have tons of miners...?Roll
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#80 - 2012-05-12 16:47:15 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:


Whilst it is commendable that miners are trying ganking, your appear to have missed one vital thing. If no-one is mining, and the bots are all banned, then how do you expect to pay for your ships in a years time when a cruiser costs 600mil? Or when you have to go out mining to build it....oh wait, you can't do that because you will just get blown up.


noone ever thinks about that
Or theyre too wrapped up in looking to destroy "your" game to care
Or they get 1 trillion in moon Goo a day so they care...

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.