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[WTS] ALL THE CAPS (in allcaps) (but seriously, I have a lot of cap pilots)

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X ATM092
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-05-10 20:46:46 UTC  |  Edited by: X ATM092
Okay, firstly, once an acceptable offer is made I will log onto the toon in question and convo and confirm with the buyer. I will then make a private sale topic on the forum with the character being sold and sell it through all the usual CCP rules. This topic is just to advertise a number of toons that I have for sale.
These are for sale. This is not a fire sale. This is not an auction. This is a shop. If you are willing to pay the price for a toon then let me know and I will set it up. I am the contact for these toons, their mails will not be being read reliably. Message me or post here.

Dreads
Phoenix, t2 siege, also has hg crystals
http://eveboard.com/pilot/EX_Omega
17bSOLD

Moros, JF pilot, potential erebus
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Elisriel
18b

Moros, thanatos
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Reactive_00
18b

Moros, thanatos, subcap
http://eveboard.com/pilot/zyphentits
19b

basic moros
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ion_Xor
14bSOLD

moros, thanny, nyx
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Lupinus_Regaale
34b

nyx/moros/thanatos
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Infinity_sh0ck
30b
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=108210

nyx/moros/thanatos + 4.4m unallocated SP
http://eveboard.com/pilot/drillerkiller
45b
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=108130

Perfect aeon/archon/revelation
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Hagress
34bSOLD

This wyvern/chimera/phoenix pilot
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Gal_Axian
22b

This aeon/archon/revelation + fantastic subcap amarr
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Snow_CALDARI
32b

This thanatos/moros + gallente subcap toon
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Captain_Dolphin
26b

t2 siege moros/thanatos V
http://eveboard.com/pilot/fil0
24bSOLD

basic rev
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Chris_baileyy
14b

t2 siege, gun V rev
http://eveboard.com/pilot/BurpX
17b

mainly subcap, basic rev
http://eveboard.com/pilot/The_Jakkle
37bSOLD

basic rev, good subcap, good supports
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Czar_Vlad
18b

great rev, training aeon
http://eveboard.com/pilot/mekanikal
24b

Carriers

This wyvern/chimera/phoenix pilot
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Gal_Axian
22b

Perfect aeon/archon/revelation
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Hagress
34bSOLD

This aeon/archon/revelation + fantastic subcap amarr
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Snow_CALDARI
32b

This thanatos/moros + gallente subcap toon
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Captain_Dolphin
26b

t2 siege moros/thanatos V
http://eveboard.com/pilot/fil0
24bSOLD

incomplete triage archon
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Lady_Vay
13b

carrier V archon, training triage, aeon, hg slave
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Shurtugol
32b

hg slave triage archon
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Shaved_Knuckle
17b

basic archon V, supports lacking
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Dominisi_Gorbachov
16b

incomplete thanatos
http://eveboard.com/pilot/NdquatrE
13b

Moros, thanatos
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Reactive_00
18b

incomplete thanatos (2 days off carrier V)
http://eveboard.com/pilot/zyphentits
19b

Supercarriers

Wyvern/chimera/bad phoenix
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Dena_Kell
24bSOLD


This wyvern/chimera/phoenix pilot
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Gal_Axian
22b

This aeon/archon/revelation + fantastic subcap amarr
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Snow_CALDARI
32b

Hel
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Nikols65
17b

fb V, carrier V hel
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Kayla_B
20b

Perfect aeon/archon/revelation
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Hagress
34bSOLD

Aeon
http://eveboard.com/pilot/mekanikal
24b

Aeon Ved, hg slave
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Shurtugol
32b

nyx
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Lupinus_Regaale
34b

nyx/moros/thanatos + 4.4m unallocated SP
http://eveboard.com/pilot/drillerkiller
45b
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=108130

nyx/moros/thanatos
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Infinity_sh0ck
30b
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=108210

If you have any interest in any of these then send me a mail. This is an incomplete list of a few of the toons I have available for sale, if you desire something else I may be able to help. I can also arrange for fully fitted dreads in the same station as these dread toons are in (north lowsec). I will update this topic over time as they sell and new toons become available.
Merchaltofme
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-05-10 20:59:01 UTC
15b on reactive.

Also can i see more or all of your carrier pilots please.
X ATM092
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-05-10 21:03:06 UTC  |  Edited by: X ATM092
Wall of shame
X ATM092 wrote:
These are for sale. This is not a fire sale. This is not an auction. This is a shop. If you are willing to pay the price for a toon then let me know and I will set it up..





From: TitanElite
Sent: 2012.05.13 15:04
To: X ATM092

Hel
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Nikols65
17b

I'll offer 13b for this one




From: X ATM092
Sent: 2012.05.13 15:07
To: TitanElite

You're a very confused individual.




From: TitanElite
Sent: 2012.05.13 15:19
To: X ATM092

Hardly mate,

You're drastically overpriced. I gave my opening bid for negotiation with you so we could maybe meet somewhere in the middle.




From: X ATM092
Sent: 2012.05.13 15:24
To: TitanElite

The price of the toon was quoted in the mail you sent me. I don't know how you could possibly have misunderstood.




From: TitanElite
To: X ATM092

Sigh, alright you appear to have the intelligence of a two year old.




From: Jeffreyp
To: X ATM092

hi

incomplete triage archon
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Lady_Vay
13b

for 10b ?
Leviathian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-05-11 05:59:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Leviathian
Nice characters, I know appraiser is worth **** since these are solid skills without much random waste anywhere, but I still think 13b is way too high for a 16msp char, and I'll offer you 7.5b for Lady Vay. As not only is it 16msp, it's missing all tanking/jump drive/drone skills (i understand it's triage but that's too niche for me, I want to be able to use it for other **** too.)

Also interested in Dominisi Gorbachov, for 9b. ( Not both characters, just one or the other.)
X ATM092
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-05-11 07:39:20 UTC
Rejected.
To clarify what I'm doing here. These toons are either currently in personal use by me or are being trained as investments to the point where they hit their peak value (their increase in value starts falling off quickly once they've become a narrow X pilot). Once they hit that point I will make individual WTS topics for them. Because I am happy to hold them and train them until that point I am valuing them based upon what I expect to make from them as an investment, as a trillionaire I have no desperate need to sell up any time soon.
The prices are "get it now buyouts" whereby you throw a lot of isk at me and get it immediately so I forfeit the long term profit and reinvest the liquidity elsewhere. If you can find a similar toon being held by someone who views it as a liability and wants to dump it asap then he will obviously accept a much lower price.
X ATM092
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-05-11 19:32:34 UTC
bump
X ATM092
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-05-12 10:36:19 UTC
Bump, new nyx pilot added to the store.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=108130
MicioGatto
#8 - 2012-05-12 11:41:26 UTC
You are a trilionaire and you need to OVERPRICE every chars you have there of 9-10bil trying to rip off your customer?

If anyone want info i can give you proof.
You sir are a joke.
X ATM092
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-05-12 11:44:41 UTC  |  Edited by: X ATM092
MicioGatto wrote:
You are a trilionaire and you need to OVERPRICE every chars you have there of 9-10bil trying to rip off your customer?

If anyone want info i can give you proof.
You sir are a joke.

Sir, you have found out my secret. It turns out that the price the character trader buys the characters at is actually less! than the price he sells them at.

Capitalism 101
Middle men massively lower the price you pay for toons and increase the money you get when you sell your toons. In an ideal 100% efficient market one guy would say "I want to sell a toon with exactly these skills for X isk" and another guy would say "I agree upon the value of those skills and want that and only that, I will pay you X" and they will do the transaction.
However the character bazaar is inefficient and the visibility of the toons is limited due to no real search or compilation tools so quite often a toon will not find its ideal buyer. In these situations what you have is an asset which nobody wants to buy and which the owner wishes to liquidate. It's value has dropped to zero. The illiquidity of the asset results from the inefficiency of the market and prevents the owner who wants to extract the value out of it from doing it.
However we all know that just because there isn't a buyer right now does not make it worthless as an asset, it just means it is illiquid. That's where a middle man, or ideally a lot of middle men, come in. If an asset is worth 10b to the right buyer but seller does not wish to keep paying for the upkeep and wants to liquidate it immediately then he may sell it to 5b. You may ask yourself "how can it be fair that he pays 5b for something worth more" but he is paying in liquid isk, he is tying up isk that could be invested elsewhere and holding onto the asset until such a time as the buyer comes along. Next you say "but that's still a lot of profit for not much work" and this is where the free market comes in. Another middle man sees an asset which is potentially worth 10b going for 5b and offers 6b. A third one offers 7b, the first one rebids 8b. The price goes up until the difference between the rate it is liquidated at and the true value is at the lower limit of return on investment that the middle men will accept.
At this point, even though the owner still wants to liquidate his asset immediately, even though the buyer is yet to be found and may take a while to find, an asset can still command a value close to its true value. All thanks to middle men and capitalism. By their willingness to sink their liquid isk into connecting buyers and sellers the efficiency of the market has been massively increased.
For the buyer the advantages are obvious too. The chances of the toon you want being on the market when you browse it are fairly low. If you actually want to buy immediately then you have to overcome the resistance of people reluctant to sell by overpaying or accept skills you didn't really want or buy a toon that needs a bit of work because there is no real pool of toons just sitting on the market in the way that mods do in Jita. Middle men, in a sharp contrast to your layman selling his toon, have accepted their isk being tied up in exchange for a return on their investment. They offer a genuine shop and, where several middle men are competing, they drive down the sell prices between each other.

Every time I make a purchase it is because somebody wanted to liquidate that asset at the price I offered. Nobody is being scammed, nobody is being forced, if it wasn't for me offering the isk I offered then the character would have been worth even less because the value of an asset is dictated by how much isk someone is willing to pay for it. I am doing them a favour, I am doing the market a favour, I am doing you a favour and every single time I make a profit it just encourages other people to be more like me and makes the market even more efficient.
MicioGatto
#10 - 2012-05-12 11:54:37 UTC
X ATM092 wrote:
MicioGatto wrote:
You are a trilionaire and you need to OVERPRICE every chars you have there of 9-10bil trying to rip off your customer?

If anyone want info i can give you proof.
You sir are a joke.

Sir, you have found out my secret. It turns out that the price the character trader buys the characters at is actually less! than the price he sells them at.



1-3 BIL more of the last price is ok, 9-10 bil more is a joke.
Let me tell you this, i have no problem in resellers, it's a good way to make isk, but when you act like a greedy bastard and than you say: i'm a trillionaire, well sir i'm gonna hunt you down :)
I'll post soon in every thread there is a clearly overpriced char and i have the list of your chars, so i can follow you so easy.
Stop manipulating the bazaar in such a bad way, ppl can afford to buy a good char for 20-25bil and you want them to pay 35-45 for it.
X ATM092
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-05-12 15:39:00 UTC
Another new nyx/moros/thanatos pilot added to the store.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=108210
Myszlinksi
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#12 - 2012-05-12 21:45:52 UTC
Charging so much more for a toon than it's worth is ridiculous. Characters have value. You're buying characters for less than what they are worth, which is scamming. Then you scam even more by trying to sell them for 10b more than they are worth. You should be banned for that since scamming the character bazaar is against CCP rules. Obviously there's some flux in markets what with inflation and all, so maybe a 1b difference (ie you can buy a 10b toon for 9b and it wouldn't be a scam). That way you could buy it and then sell for 11b and keep 1b profit after PLEX costs.

Also, you shouldn't be able to just flip toons. You should have to have them for at least 6 months or something before you can sell them, and you should also have to have used them for some certain amount of time during those 6 months before you're allowed to sell it.

And to stop monopolies like this (ie: someone buying all of one kind of character), CCP should seed the market with more. Maybe different amounts of unallocated SP, like 20m unallocated SP toons for 10b.
gellente tntimy
Triangulation Networks
#13 - 2012-05-12 21:51:02 UTC  |  Edited by: gellente tntimy
would you happen to have a capita toon i can buy for about 5-6 bill? please sir?QuestionQuestionQuestionQuestionQuestion
X ATM092
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-05-12 21:53:27 UTC
gellente tntimy wrote:
would you happen to have a capita toon i can buy for about 5-6 bill? please sir?QuestionQuestionQuestionQuestionQuestion

Unfortunately what with the plex costs to transfer (1b) and the skillbook costs for capital ships and carrier/dread (again around 1b) that leaves very little isk for the skillpoints. You could potentially get a holder toon for that budget if you searched but not one from me.
gellente tntimy
Triangulation Networks
#15 - 2012-05-12 21:54:41 UTC
X ATM092 wrote:
gellente tntimy wrote:
would you happen to have a capita toon i can buy for about 5-6 bill? please sir?QuestionQuestionQuestionQuestionQuestion

Unfortunately what with the plex costs to transfer (1b) and the skillbook costs for capital ships and carrier/dread (again around 1b) that leaves very little isk for the skillpoints. You could potentially get a holder toon for that budget if you searched but not one from me.

oh :/ kay
Karah Serrigan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-05-12 22:39:15 UTC
Myszlinksi wrote:
Charging so much more for a toon than it's worth is ridiculous. Characters have value. You're buying characters for less than what they are worth, which is scamming. Then you scam even more by trying to sell them for 10b more than they are worth. You should be banned for that since scamming the character bazaar is against CCP rules. Obviously there's some flux in markets what with inflation and all, so maybe a 1b difference (ie you can buy a 10b toon for 9b and it wouldn't be a scam). That way you could buy it and then sell for 11b and keep 1b profit after PLEX costs.

Also, you shouldn't be able to just flip toons. You should have to have them for at least 6 months or something before you can sell them, and you should also have to have used them for some certain amount of time during those 6 months before you're allowed to sell it.

And to stop monopolies like this (ie: someone buying all of one kind of character), CCP should seed the market with more. Maybe different amounts of unallocated SP, like 20m unallocated SP toons for 10b.

Wow, i was sure you were just angry and stupid, until the last paragraph. Now im not sure if troll or REALLY stupid? :/
Branches of Sin
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-05-12 22:40:47 UTC
Thank you for hard work. Players get a quick return and you gain a tidy profit = )

I'll never buy anything from you though (lol)...
SRS BZNZ
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-05-12 23:18:21 UTC  |  Edited by: SRS BZNZ
If you weren't such worthless morons you would look at the methodology employed and challenge that with CCP instead of bitching that the big nasty man is asking for more isk than you have for the toonie you want.

Seeing as you are super dumb I will spell it out to you: send yourself a buddy account invite, buy character, PLEX account, have character transferred to that account. With this method it costs you nothing/very little have a pyramid of accounts. He never pays for the training time, only the character transfer cost.

The buddy account program is and has been widely abused for almost as long as it has existed, and CCP has turned a blind eye to that abuse, but on this scale and in this manner you might have more luck. And if you shout and stamp your feet alot.
X ATM092
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-05-12 23:20:51 UTC
SRS BZNZ wrote:
If you weren't such worthless morons you would look at the methodology employed and challenge that with CCP instead of bitching that the big nasty man is asking for more isk than you have for the toonie you want.

Seeing as you are super dumb I will spell it out to you: send yourself a buddy account invite, buy character, PLEX account, have character transferred to that account. With this method it costs you nothing/very little have a pyramid of accounts. He never pays for the training time, only the character transfer cost.

The buddy account program is and has been widely abused for almost as long as it has existed, and CCP has turned a blind eye to that abuse, but on this scale and in this manner you might have more luck. And if you shout and stamp your feet alot.

If I buy and resell a toon CCP get 4 plexes for the transaction. If someone just sells it they get 2 plexes. I get through about 50 plexes a month, I don't think CCP are too bothered by my activities.
SRS BZNZ
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-05-12 23:23:09 UTC
X ATM092 wrote:
SRS BZNZ wrote:
If you weren't such worthless morons you would look at the methodology employed and challenge that with CCP instead of bitching that the big nasty man is asking for more isk than you have for the toonie you want.

Seeing as you are super dumb I will spell it out to you: send yourself a buddy account invite, buy character, PLEX account, have character transferred to that account. With this method it costs you nothing/very little have a pyramid of accounts. He never pays for the training time, only the character transfer cost.

The buddy account program is and has been widely abused for almost as long as it has existed, and CCP has turned a blind eye to that abuse, but on this scale and in this manner you might have more luck. And if you shout and stamp your feet alot.

If I buy and resell a toon CCP get 4 plexes for the transaction. If someone just sells it they get 2 plexes. I get through about 50 plexes a month, I don't think CCP are too bothered by my activities.


Neither do I, but they are also inconsistent in their decisions and unaware of activities taking place under their noses.
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