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Looks like we're winning the war: Highsec mining drops by HALF!

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#41 - 2012-05-12 05:38:01 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Ocih wrote:
- I run level 3 missions in Drakes and Damnations and I have enough of both to keep me occupied for the next 20 years. I don't care how much they cost anymore.

It's okay, it will take you much less than 20 years to quit out of boredom.


6 years and counting.
When it comes to the waiting games and siege warfare by douchebags, I'm better at this than you. Count on it.

I always believe what people tell me on the internet, without question.


Ioci - 2005

But I suppose if you must, you can convince yourself I bought the Character or some dreamy gibberish. Whatever floats your boat.
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-05-12 05:47:33 UTC
I guess it is true. Mommy or Daddy will spend real money for you to buy a few plexes to keep up in your ship race since you and many others have ganked poor defenseless ships in empire to prove you have no penis. And scaring off many other miners is a simple reason. they know its hulkageddon season. why mine and lose their fancy hulk or mackinaw.

I am soooo scared of your weak PVP skills. Come on and be a man and wardec folks or go lowsec or 0.0 for your pvp. have you gotten about the 0.0 carebear land? oh yeah you have
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-05-12 05:50:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Mortimer Civeri
I know a Goon who is training for a hulk as we speak, so I doubt that us miners stomping out in protest will faze them one bit.

EDIT: Also 1 trillion per month in Tech income alone, so I doubt that they would care about the price of ships anyway.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#44 - 2012-05-12 05:56:06 UTC
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
I am soooo scared of your weak PVP skills. Come on and be a man and wardec folks or go lowsec or 0.0 for your pvp. have you gotten about the 0.0 carebear land? oh yeah you have

We gank Hulks, you whine about ganking. We declare wars, you whine about war declarations. We go to 0.0, you whine about covert cloaks and your titan fleets not being able to one-shot single-digit roaming gangs.

It doesn't matter what the actual players do; the carebears will always whine about it.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#45 - 2012-05-12 06:12:29 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
I know a Goon who is training for a hulk as we speak, so I doubt that us miners stomping out in protest will faze them one bit.

EDIT: Also 1 trillion per month in Tech income alone, so I doubt that they would care about the price of ships anyway.

We're not going to come and whine when some cloaky loki pops our Hulk in nullsec and runs away though... it's an accepted risk if you do stuff like that.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#46 - 2012-05-12 06:16:14 UTC
Daneirkus Auralex wrote:
Ocih wrote:
[quote=Karn Dulake]
Gratz on winning the "war". of course now all you null, whine bears can do what you say you hate. Mine your own ******* minerals. Have fun.

I'd just like to add that if a large, null-sec alliance REALLY needed minerals, and it was impossible to procure them through normal means, its leadership would probably coordinate with allies, schedule a fleet, send some pings, and lo and behold, next thing you know there would be a multifaceted operation with 100 exhumers, 30 logistics, 15 orcas, 10 rorquals and a couple titans to bridge everyone around, plus 200 armor hacs w/ support on patrol spewing bubbles everywhere to protect the fleet, plus 25 carriers and 15 supercarriers on standby within jump range, a wing of stealth bombers patrolling the region, and rifterswarms guarding all the gates. And the entire constellation would probably be clear of ore within a few hours.

Perhaps people should make some friends, come to nullsec and start playing the real game.

TEST mining op, please ignore !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Mirajane Cromwell
#47 - 2012-05-12 06:53:38 UTC
Quote:
Mining numbers! Average mined per day for the 7 days before escalation: High (2.7bn m3), Low (9.3m m3), Null (696m m3), WH (97.7m m3).
source

Quote:
Average mined per day for the last 7 days: High (1.47bn m3), Low (13.8m m3), Null (796m m3), WH (112m m3).
source

So more nullsec and WH players are starting to mine... not by much at the moment but I hope we get to see the numbers again at the end of the month. Smile
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#48 - 2012-05-12 06:57:44 UTC
Mirajane Cromwell wrote:
Quote:
Mining numbers! Average mined per day for the 7 days before escalation: High (2.7bn m3), Low (9.3m m3), Null (696m m3), WH (97.7m m3).
source

Quote:
Average mined per day for the last 7 days: High (1.47bn m3), Low (13.8m m3), Null (796m m3), WH (112m m3).
source

So more nullsec and WH players are starting to mine... not by much at the moment but I hope we get to see the numbers again at the end of the month. Smile

You might have to give it a month (T1 hulk from scratch) or two (T2 hulk from scratch). Please don't worry too much though, dear highsec miners, we don't produce so many lowend minerals, so you can still sell them at higher prices if your buddies stop ~~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#49 - 2012-05-12 07:03:26 UTC
And ore prices are rising and ore in short supply?

So much for the miners argument that we need them and we would have no ore if they quit :)

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#50 - 2012-05-12 07:03:45 UTC
Meanwhile in New Eden...

- mineral prices are going down, probably as people is rolling out huge stockpiles
- Hulks are out of demand and slowly going down
- Modulated Deep Core Miner II are almost unfindable and their price skyrocketed
- And I still haven't seen a single Hulk blown in my system (they're not undocking, apparently -see item 1)

The things are so quiet at hisec belts that I've stumbled upon "commander" rats twice already.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2012-05-12 07:06:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
James 315 wrote:
According to the official statistics released this week by CCP Diagoras, the volume of ore mined in highsec has dropped by a staggering 45.53%. Nearly half of all highsec mining has been wiped out, thanks to coordinated anti-highsec mining operations (most prominently Hulkageddon V), and the extraordinary shift in public opinion about highsec mining. You can read CCP Diagoras' tweet here.

so what you really want to say is that CCP Diagoras manufactures data for his goon friends to prevent mineral prices from dropping further? (it's well known that most goons went long on high-ends before Inferno)

.

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#52 - 2012-05-12 07:15:11 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
That barely covers the cost of the gear used to gank them, and when you consider sec status lost (unless you use dedicated gank alts, in which case you're not really after the money anyway), you don't even break even.


Please show me this 10M ISK catalyst fit.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#53 - 2012-05-12 07:17:43 UTC
Miilla wrote:
And ore prices are rising and ore in short supply?


Note that mineral prices are still coming down from the pre-buildup speculation fuelled by drone poo rumours. Combine that with a lot of people offloading their stockpiles (which is pushing the prices down), and I expect Hulkageddon could continue running for another month before we hit the bottleneck of miners actually mining stuff to produce minerals.

How many industrialists don't have a month or two supply of the things they need to maintain production?
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#54 - 2012-05-12 07:18:33 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
We're not going to come and whine when some cloaky loki pops our Hulk in nullsec and runs away though... it's an accepted risk if you do stuff like that.


No, the perpetual "AFK cloaker" whines in F&I couldn't possibly be from null sec residents at all.
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#55 - 2012-05-12 07:19:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigurd Sig Hansen
James 315 wrote:
According to the official statistics released this week by CCP Diagoras, the volume of ore mined in highsec has dropped by a staggering 45.53%. Nearly half of all highsec mining has been wiped out, thanks to coordinated anti-highsec mining operations (most prominently Hulkageddon V), and the extraordinary shift in public opinion about highsec mining. You can read CCP Diagoras' tweet here.

If we were to believe the conventional wisdom among the carebears and the pseudointellectuals of Market Discussions, highsec mining is too vast and pervasive to stop. Prior to the latest round of Hulkageddon, they confidently predicted that gankers wouldn't put a dent in the amount of mining. They were wrong.

Miners have been slaughtered by the thousands, but that's not all. Anti-mining operations are primarily instruments of terror. While thousands of miners died, more importantly, thousands more miners have given up mining. Ordinarily we wouldn't be able to quantify the effect of the latter, and the carebear apologists would be free, in their ignorance, to keep crowing about the absence of any impact. But thanks to CCP Diagoras, we can make our enemies eat crow instead.

I know there are some skeptics who will grasp to the straws of any alternate explanation, so I'll provide a preemptive debunking service here. The mining of ore in highsec did not decline during the measured period due to a drop in botting. Over the relevant period, there was no mass-banning of bots by CCP. Quite the opposite, in fact. My own observations, corroborated by the dedicated bot-watchers in Crime & Punishment, have actually seen a proportionate increase in botting of late; a new network of easily-identified botters is crawling over the belts in highsec as we speak.

What's happened is that the human miners, unlike the bots, became aware of Hulkageddon and have ceased mining. When humans abandoned the belts, the bots became a larger percentage of those left behind, and they stand out more. For example, a new type of ice-mining bot, very common today, flocks in the ice fields. They use an identical ship name scheme (a space before the ship name, easy to spot groups of them using your D-scanner), and they warp out one-by-one if you lock them. I have cleared out entire ice fields with a frigate just by locking up the bots, because there are no humans left mining there.

The drop in mining has been disproportionately--perhaps entirely--caused by a decline in the number of human miners, not bots. Thus, the decrease in mining among humans in highsec is greater than 45.53%. We don't have official statistics on what percentage of the total mining in highsec is done by bots, but by all accounts it's a hefty amount. Therefore, this is the bottom line:

The majority of human highsec miners have quit mining.

Two weeks ago, I wrote a Manifesto II in which I called upon the people of EVE to put a stop to all mining in highsec. Most people probably thought it was crazy to even consider such a thing possible. Not anymore. We're already more than halfway there!

Granted, some miners will return to the belts once Hulkageddon ends. But many will not. Having been forced to adapt and try out other professions, and having found them more rewarding, they will leave mining for good. As the miners' numbers diminish, so does their power and influence over CCP.

As for the gankers, their numbers are growing rapidly. Each day, more and more pilots are getting hooked on ganking. They see the miners for what they are: targets. And they will prey upon an ever-decreasing number of carebears.

In light of these facts, we must now realize that the extinction of highsec mining is not just an impossible dream anymore. It's something that we, as the EVE community, can realistically accomplish together. If you have not yet committed to the fight against the carebears, then I encourage you to join us now. This is your chance. Kill some highsec miners before they're all gone!

- 315


Imo, all the miners in the game should take two months off ans see if anyone notices.
wonder how many accounts that would be lost

See what they do not what they say after all

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game

Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#56 - 2012-05-12 07:23:20 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Miilla wrote:
And ore prices are rising and ore in short supply?


Note that mineral prices are still coming down from the pre-buildup speculation fuelled by drone poo rumours. Combine that with a lot of people offloading their stockpiles (which is pushing the prices down), and I expect Hulkageddon could continue running for another month before we hit the bottleneck of miners actually mining stuff to produce minerals.

How many industrialists don't have a month or two supply of the things they need to maintain production?


I get all more ore from reprocessing drops. I don't depend on miners :)
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#57 - 2012-05-12 07:23:21 UTC
James 315 wrote:
The majority of human highsec miners have quit mining.


Do you mean "quit mining" the same way my nicotine-addicted friend has "quit smoking" several times over the past year?

I'm pretty sure you'll find that human miners will take to the belts again very quickly after the unofficial end of Hulkageddon (which will be a few days after the official end, since many participants are the mouth-breathing types who need to be told things by word of mouth since they can't actually read).

Heck, once word gets out that Goonswarm is no longer honouring the bounty offer, Hulkageddon will be over very quickly indeed.
Styx Cyc
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2012-05-12 07:25:58 UTC
I've seen plenty of barges and hulks where I usually roam and the ships destroyed in a 24 hour period are at their usual year-round levels for all the nearby systems.

Also, the price of things have actually dropped in the past couple of weeks. So, I'm guessing someone, somewhere its making crap up.

That, or I live in a little paradise without too many mouthbreathers lol. Either way, its fine by me
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#59 - 2012-05-12 07:28:43 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
That barely covers the cost of the gear used to gank them, and when you consider sec status lost (unless you use dedicated gank alts, in which case you're not really after the money anyway), you don't even break even.


Please show me this 10M ISK catalyst fit.

Catalyst: 1.4m
Light Neutron Blaster II: 1.3m*8=10.4m
Gunnery Mods: 3 million
Everything Else: ~ a few hundred thousand

Total Value: 15 million
Surviving Mods: 6.8 million, assuming 50% survival rate for modules
Sunk Cost: 8.2 million per Catalyst

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-05-12 08:45:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Romar Agent
James 315 wrote:
Looks like we're winning the war: Highsec mining drops by HALF!

We are at war?

Anyhow, a guy with that much time on his hands would be useful to any organization.

Please inquire for a job at Kor-Azor Prime, Moon Griklaeum, Ishukone Corporation Factory, we still need someone to count our minerals (doing something useful for a achange).

James 315 wrote:
...
The majority of human highsec miners have quit mining.
...
We would hope so, the less unwanted competitors the better. We can already feel the higher minerals prices in our wallet. Though I still see to many competitors where we operate.

James 315 wrote:
... In light of these facts, we must now realize that the extinction of highsec mining is not just an impossible dream anymore. ...
I'm waiting...

... still ...

... perhaps some of those fabled Hulkageddon gankers would care to show up one day?