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Proteus vs Tengu
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#21 - 2012-05-11 11:43:47 UTC
Tarn Kugisa wrote:
Proteus has mids for utility
Tengu has lows for DPS

Just like all Shield/Armor ships.


Uhm... that doesn't seem right...

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-05-11 12:29:07 UTC
Tarn Kugisa wrote:
Proteus has mids for utility
Tengu has lows for DPS

Just like all Shield/Armor ships.



confirming tengus do more dps than prots...

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Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#23 - 2012-05-11 13:34:45 UTC
The ONLY thing that can break a Tengu is the neut. No matter how buffed a Proteus is if ANY ship pins it ouside of blaster range (wich btw is not very big if I remember it right) it is dead. I dont have to mention how ******* strong the Tengu active tank is. Yeah, the Proteus is cool you gotta have balls to fly it (because its too easy to lose for a >500mi ship) and you can sneak upon your target. Im so excited about it wohoo. *queueing Caldari Cruiser skill
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-05-11 14:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Jack Miton wrote:
Tarn Kugisa wrote:
Proteus has mids for utility
Tengu has lows for DPS

Just like all Shield/Armor ships.



confirming tengus do more dps than prots...


Not more, just enough speed with AFTER BURNER while SCRAMED to keep distance and if 700+ dps is enough to kill almost everything.

Proteus with mwd and regular fit no implants goes around 1400m/s, Tengu with regular fit arount 2+ to almost 4k speed with faction mods, pimp to 5k with cloack boost alts.

Again, not saying Proteus can't be fun or can't succeed, just saying that there's no reason to suffer the pain of using such ship when you have far better fight options with other ships.

Now in Wh's you'll find exploration Tengus for the most part, I'd like to see another video of a 3 billion Tengu in a wh kicking asses so that some people can see hos restrictive the game play with gallente hulls is.
This is my point of view about Gallente despite latest updates, it's an extreme restrictive game play that offers nothing compared to others except maybe the feeling of elite uberness because success happens "some times".
MaximusDog
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#25 - 2012-05-11 19:56:12 UTC
Roime wrote:
It's very simple, really.

If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting.
If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing.

If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second.
If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight.






I like this one Roime! P
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#26 - 2012-05-12 06:04:54 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
[quote=Jack Miton]
Not more, just enough speed with AFTER BURNER while SCRAMED to keep distance and if 700+ dps is enough to kill almost everything.

Proteus with mwd and regular fit no implants goes around 1400m/s, Tengu with regular fit arount 2+ to almost 4k speed with faction mods, pimp to 5k with cloack boost alts.

Again, not saying Proteus can't be fun or can't succeed, just saying that there's no reason to suffer the pain of using such ship when you have far better fight options with other ships.

Now in Wh's you'll find exploration Tengus for the most part, I'd like to see another video of a 3 billion Tengu in a wh kicking asses so that some people can see hos restrictive the game play with gallente hulls is.
This is my point of view about Gallente despite latest updates, it's an extreme restrictive game play that offers nothing compared to others except maybe the feeling of elite uberness because success happens "some times".


"Speed doesn't kill ships, guns do"

Check out wh corp killboards. Gallente isn't "restrictive", it's the preferred method of winning here.

Tengus are used for PVE, because kiting just doesn't get you any kills here. The wh mechanics are better suited for brawlers, and people aren't as stupid as k-space folk.




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Drakarin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-05-12 07:53:48 UTC
Could someone elaborate for me why people fear 100mn Tengus so much? Yes, they are hard to kill, but they're like bugs. Very fast, hard to hit, but they barely even dent you. I can't seem to find a Tengu fit that does more than 650 dps at any sort of range without involving links and very expensive implants. You aren't going to kill anything with that sort of damage. Also, all fits are passive. I'm very much so used to active defense, I hate the idea of simply starting a counter to your death.

What am I missing here?

The proteus clearly wins, with DPS well over 1k easily and an even better buffer. Speaking on terms of 1v1 at least.
Qui Shon
Lone Wolf Freelancers
#28 - 2012-05-12 22:06:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Qui Shon
Tanya Powers wrote:
I'd like to see another video of a 3 billion Tengu in a wh kicking asses


Another?
Where's the first one? Can you link it?

I saw that Boppo guys excellent (top music) k-space tengu vid. Haven't seen a W-space one.
MaximusDog
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#29 - 2012-05-16 20:57:48 UTC
what would be a good fitting for a Proteus ? (PvP)
Pink Marshmellow
Caucasian Culture Club
#30 - 2012-05-16 21:19:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Pink Marshmellow
Confirming the Legion is pretty crap for a T3. If you want lasers and tank, You fly the absolution.

HAM legion is something that mostly works in Kspace, it doesn't really bring much to the table for its costs.

A t2 Fit absolution overall has better performance than a faction fit legion.

I have flown legions and I have 2 differently configured legions, so I would know.

The only thing I would really use legions is for vanguard incursions.


I am a converted proteus pilot now.
Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#31 - 2012-05-18 11:51:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jta Grl
Drakarin wrote:
Could someone elaborate for me why people fear 100mn Tengus so much? Yes, they are hard to kill, but they're like bugs. Very fast, hard to hit, but they barely even dent you. I can't seem to find a Tengu fit that does more than 650 dps at any sort of range without involving links and very expensive implants. You aren't going to kill anything with that sort of damage. Also, all fits are passive. I'm very much so used to active defense, I hate the idea of simply starting a counter to your death.

What am I missing here?

The proteus clearly wins, with DPS well over 1k easily and an even better buffer. Speaking on terms of 1v1 at least.


I know the post is old (OMG, 1 week, why did you dig this???) but I posted on it and I'd like to comment.

Besides you saying that 650 dps doenst kill anything wich they do easily with kin missiles, it's not just the 100mn Tengus. Active tanking tengus are WAY overpowered too. No other T3 can fit an active tank and run it 24/7 with both MWD and guns online. Try this on the Proteus. You either get to sacrifice DPS or defense. With the Tengu you can fit all lows with BCUs and still have a decent tank at 1.2km/s. I'm not even mentioning that if you go that fast with a Proteus you can't hit anything that doesnt have a 2000m sig radius (oops, I just did), wich adds even more to the Tengu tank without sacrificing damage (because missiles don't miss, you know?). Yeah, the Proteus clearly wins, on cov ops and thats all. It's simply not worth for what it cost. If you live in a WH and can build one its a great ship but not if you have to pay for it. It's a crippled ship compared to other T3's. It shouldn't be like that.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-05-18 13:44:52 UTC
Jta Grl wrote:
No other T3 can fit an active tank and run it 24/7 with both MWD and guns online.


100MN Tengus use ABs. And a (PvP) Loki can perma-run a Gist large shield booster and MWD permanently, with the right choice of subs and rigs.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2012-05-18 13:51:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Kerner
Jta Grl wrote:
The ONLY thing that can break a Tengu is the neut. No matter how buffed a Proteus is if ANY ship pins it ouside of blaster range (wich btw is not very big if I remember it right) it is dead. I dont have to mention how ******* strong the Tengu active tank is. Yeah, the Proteus is cool you gotta have balls to fly it (because its too easy to lose for a >500mi ship) and you can sneak upon your target. Im so excited about it wohoo. *queueing Caldari Cruiser skill


You have got approx. 60 km point and approx. 20 km scram...you do not have to fit it with blasters.

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Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#34 - 2012-05-18 14:21:18 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Jta Grl wrote:
No other T3 can fit an active tank and run it 24/7 with both MWD and guns online.


100MN Tengus use ABs. And a (PvP) Loki can perma-run a Gist large shield booster and MWD permanently, with the right choice of subs and rigs.


The Loki does much less DPS and miss a lot of shots with a high transversal speed. I haven't checked on the 100MN Tengus yet but I dont think they should have cap problems either, I was talking about the active tanking Tengu fit wich is OP as well.


Eugene Kerner wrote:
Jta Grl wrote:
The ONLY thing that can break a Tengu is the neut. No matter how buffed a Proteus is if ANY ship pins it ouside of blaster range (wich btw is not very big if I remember it right) it is dead. I dont have to mention how ******* strong the Tengu active tank is. Yeah, the Proteus is cool you gotta have balls to fly it (because its too easy to lose for a >500mi ship) and you can sneak upon your target. Im so excited about it wohoo. *queueing Caldari Cruiser skill


You have got approx. 60 km point and approx. 20 km scram...you do not have to fit it with blasters.


Yeah, maybe an AC Proteus... but still awful DPS compared to the Tengu's.

The problem I am pointing here is that Tengu shouldn't have such a high DPS. The Proteus dos have a great DPS but it also DOES have a drawback wich is optimal range. What is the drawback for that DPS wich is close to the Proteus on the Tengu? None.
Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#35 - 2012-05-18 14:47:52 UTC
Meh, nvm.
I dont want to flame this more than it is already. Playing with EFT I realized they are very different ships so theres little room for the poor comparison I made... the balance is much more complex. I guess the Tengu is just an easier ship to fit and fly after all.

I won't poke on the 100MN AB discussion because I'm not much of a PvP'r myself. There may be indeed an inballance there but I can't make any comments on it.

Heading back to the Black Pyramid now.
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