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Logistics ships & rebalancing EVE one ship at a time

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Brock Khan
Farmers Union Iced Coffee
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2012-05-11 22:11:20 UTC
hahahhaaa sounds like someone doesnt have logi support in corp or alliance, and comes here to cry to ccp to make the game fun for just him. what a self entitled snow flake.


















P.S. contract me your stuff before you quit
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#22 - 2012-05-11 22:12:03 UTC
Andski wrote:
"1400mm Howitzer Artillery II"

Nothing like good old 1400mms.

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Lipbite
Express Hauler
#23 - 2012-05-11 22:27:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Lipbite
As logistics pilot I want to thank those who added 1-5 "likes" already to counter-argument answers to this post - which didn't got a single "like" yet.
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-05-12 00:02:36 UTC
Andski wrote:
"1400mm Howitzer Artillery II"

not emptyquoting.


Also, why's this on General Discussion?

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Alicia Fermi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-05-12 00:10:24 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Andski wrote:
"1400mm Howitzer Artillery II"

not emptyquoting.


Also, why's this on General Discussion?

Where else does one shiptoast?
Lady Starfire
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-05-12 00:49:10 UTC
On kdotcom or failheap?
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-05-12 01:19:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Brock Khan wrote:
hahahhaaa sounds like someone doesnt have logi support in corp or alliance, and comes here to cry to ccp to make the game fun for just him. what a self entitled snow flake.


On the contrary I can dual box falcons, guardians and commandships with near perfect skills across two toons. I find it lame however that I must do so, and dream of better days.




So... I guess ill call you probie and then ask if you're mad about something? Because you seem pretty mad bra.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-05-12 01:21:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Lipbite wrote:
As logistics pilot I want to thank those who added 1-5 "likes" already to counter-argument answers to this post - which didn't got a single "like" yet.



Why would people like a post advocating the nerfage of their pvpbear, near risk free I win button? The most likely outcome would be an attempt to troll it into oblivion, as we are seeing now.

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maxum flaxum
Aspirant Superheroes
#29 - 2012-05-12 02:20:18 UTC
don't mind him,
he's just pissed that he can't kill anything in his high sec war because gw3ndolin3 keeps using a neutral guardian and oneiros
Cartheron Crust
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#30 - 2012-05-12 02:49:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Cartheron Crust
Ah yes use one of the worst ships for an RR BS as an example to why Logistics ships need to be nerfed.

Armageddon has one spare high slot for a remote rep mod. Bad.
It only has three midslots. Bad.
It uses its cap for guns. Bad.

This is not a good ship to base your argument on.

[EDIT] - As it seems your main gripe is not being able to kill things before they can deagress and dock perhaps try fighting somewhere they cannot use that dock button.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-05-12 02:59:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
maxum flaxum wrote:
don't mind him,
he's just pissed that he can't kill anything in his high sec war because gw3ndolin3 keeps using a neutral guardian and oneiros



Well, since you mentioned it.... 2x guardians didn't seem to save his navy domi, his expensive pod or the rest of his friends in mining for profit who were afraid to undock and fight us. So, you seem to be grossly misinformed. What it did do however is force us to wtfBBQpwn gank him in order to break said reps, which is the primary subject matter of my post. Too much RR leads to lame and cheesy tactics becoming the must have method to implement in order to cause death.




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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-05-12 03:01:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Cartheron Crust wrote:
Ah yes use one of the worst ships for an RR BS as an example to why Logistics ships need to be nerfed.

Armageddon has one spare high slot for a remote rep mod. Bad.
It only has three midslots. Bad.
It uses its cap for guns. Bad.

This is not a good ship to base your argument on.

[EDIT] - As it seems your main gripe is not being able to kill things before they can deagress and dock perhaps try fighting somewhere they cannot use that dock button.



A lot of people here exhibit gross reading comprehension difficulties. I advise you to go back and read it again, and while you're at it, please tell me how other racial ships are superior to geddons when guardians are involved giving reps at 60km. I would love to hear your sparkling insights.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-05-12 03:08:28 UTC
Allot of people can't spell "a lot"

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-05-12 03:11:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Andski wrote:
Allot of people can't spell "a lot"



I do prefer your over you're because it is easier to type , and yet I do not spell lose as loose. But is that really your best troll for the night? I mean... here I am advocating the nerfing of your PVPbear-stupid-easy-I-win button. Can you come up with nothing more?

I mean what if CCP listens..
And...
And..
(shudders to think of it)

You have to actually lose a ship every now and then Shocked

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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-05-12 03:15:56 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
It is my belief that anything that prevents

lol, your belief is not good enough reason to fix anything. Your belief is like saying Titan's were WTFOMGBBQ poweful, but in actually your belief is covering the fact that you suck just as much the guys getting shot by XL guns.

See, my belief is that it is infact the whiney players that can't adapt that are the problem. Someone points out to shoot the guardian, OP says that is stupid. OMG OP is one dumb dude.

See, the problem in EVE is that we have people on both sides of the fence in EVE and one adapts to some plan/strategy/tactic but the other side deems it not fair requesting CCP fix everything from XL gun tracking, JF are riskless because they can avoid people (which is what its supposed to ******* do), move level 4s to lowsec, remote neutrol reppers, self destruct ect. Why is it that the people in this game cannot ******* adapt, so they instead fly capital ships that don't pop to XL guns, guys cannot get better at trying to catch JF, just leave station where the guys are using the remote reps (you don't have to acutally fight them), increase the needed DPS before a ship explodes (after the first fight, you should relize what you need to increase...DPS of course) or this is really insane...but how about people try to lead those dudes that run level 4s in lowsec by being a supportive model leader.

Incase you all just got blurry eyed over the last sentence, why don't you adapt and get better at EVE. When someone decides to pay their subscription to dedicate theselves to some plan of their own, CCP doesn't need to change the game just because you keep losing. That would be like asking the guys who have the better run times in the upcomming olympics to leave the games, just because they are .01 seconds better then you is no excuse you cannot become self improved and become .02 seconds better then without an outside party (CCP in this case) to make you feel more like a champ.
Silly Slot
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-05-12 03:16:27 UTC
SOMEONE please close this troll of a thread,

I mean seriously you want to nerf LOGI? They already dont get on killmails and you want to make them less effective, wow why not just remove the ships entierly and we can just have slug fest to 0 ships after slug fest to 0 ships every time...

Yes RR is a force multiplier... JUST LIKE ECM... Yes a guardian can run for 1m + without its cap chain depending on fit... but heres the thing have you ever been in a 20 man logi chain and get f*cking jammed out and have to get things back up and running beefore your fleet of god knows how many battleships is waisted...

I mean i could see nerfing if we had 3 man BS roams going around with 3 logi, and were unstopable and unkillable, but thats just NOT THE CASE.
Silly Slot
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-05-12 03:18:27 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Cartheron Crust wrote:
Ah yes use one of the worst ships for an RR BS as an example to why Logistics ships need to be nerfed.

Armageddon has one spare high slot for a remote rep mod. Bad.
It only has three midslots. Bad.
It uses its cap for guns. Bad.

This is not a good ship to base your argument on.

[EDIT] - As it seems your main gripe is not being able to kill things before they can deagress and dock perhaps try fighting somewhere they cannot use that dock button.



A lot of people here exhibit gross reading comprehension difficulties. I advise you to go back and read it again, and while you're at it, please tell me how other racial ships are superior to geddons when guardians are involved giving reps at 60km. I would love to hear your sparkling insights.


mmmm alpha maelstroms, sniper rokhs, sniper naga's seriously wtf dude, just because guardians make a fight harder to win doesn't meant here a I win button, theres multiple counters to them

A. Alpha
B. ECM
C. Neuts (a curse for gods sake)
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-05-12 03:18:38 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
It is my belief that anything that prevents

lol, your belief is not good enough reason to fix anything. Your belief is like saying Titan's were WTFOMGBBQ poweful, but in actually your belief is covering the fact that you suck just as much the guys getting shot by XL guns.

See, my belief is that it is infact the whiney players that can't adapt that are the problem. Someone points out to shoot the guardian, OP says that is stupid. OMG OP is one dumb dude.

See, the problem in EVE is that we have people on both sides of the fence in EVE and one adapts to some plan/strategy/tactic but the other side deems it not fair requesting CCP fix everything from XL gun tracking, JF are riskless because they can avoid people (which is what its supposed to ******* do), move level 4s to lowsec, remote neutrol reppers, self destruct ect. Why is it that the people in this game cannot ******* adapt, so they instead fly capital ships that don't pop to XL guns, guys cannot get better at trying to catch JF, just leave station where the guys are using the remote reps (you don't have to acutally fight them), increase the needed DPS before a ship explodes (after the first fight, you should relize what you need to increase...DPS of course) or this is really insane...but how about people try to lead those dudes that run level 4s in lowsec by being a supportive model leader.

Incase you all just got blurry eyed over the last sentence, why don't you adapt and get better at EVE. When someone decides to pay their subscription to dedicate theselves to some plan of their own, CCP doesn't need to change the game just because you keep losing. That would be like asking the guys who have the better run times in the upcomming olympics to leave the games, just because they are .01 seconds better then you is no excuse you cannot become self improved and become .02 seconds better then without an outside party (CCP in this case) to make you feel more like a champ.




* does not read a post from an alt with no face.


I mean... at least make a face if you're going cower behind an alt toon.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-05-12 03:19:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Silly Slot wrote:
I mean i could see nerfing if we had 3 man BS roams going around with 3 logi, and were unstopable and unkillable, but thats just NOT THE CASE.



With three guardians in tow, I can honestly say that I am unkillable unless I am up against 10:1 odds. Not because I am that win, but because of how logi's rep my buffer ship with relation to aggression timers, gates and stations in ever sector of space. If you do not understand this, then you do not understand EVE.

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-05-12 03:24:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Silly Slot wrote:


A. Alpha
B. ECM
C. Neuts (a curse for gods sake)



I think I covered each of these topics in my OP, way to read and give viable counter arguments. Do you have any BTW?



EDIT:

This thread is now about how risk adverse the vast majority of EVE's "L33T" player base has become. Who's the carebear now Lol

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