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Looks like we're winning the war: Highsec mining drops by HALF!
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#21 - 2012-05-12 02:32:53 UTC
Dreadknoght Lomaree wrote:
Where do you think that every ship in eve came from? Every ship that dies in hulkaggedon, the miner & the ganker, costs minerals to build. Now, miners in high-sec bring in the largest total of minerals in eve, and you think this is a good thing? You think miners will want to go into low-sec or 0.0 when all of this is going on?

They must have a killer EVE economics class in the Uni.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Ian Mcmantry
The 9th Infinitus
#22 - 2012-05-12 02:33:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Ian Mcmantry
I don't get why you are so intent on eliminating hi sec mining? Bots.. yeah, it's the easy way out. But shooting miners in high sec is a challenge? It rather reminds me of fishing with TNT... no sport, only thrill is not getting caught by the cops... but then even if you do in eve all they do is pop your cheap ship and take away your means to celebrate your birthday in a 1.0 systems. On the other side.. its not like there isn't mining in lowsec. And, If you mine in high sec like they do in low sec... you may still die.. but at least you have a chance.


added: I do admit that these events make me more money in loot, salvage and industry. So if this is done as a form of warfare to further ones economic plans... more power to you.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#23 - 2012-05-12 02:35:39 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
It is still too soon to tell anything. If it rained for three days in a row I swear half the forum whiners on here would be building an ark and begin collecting two of every creature that lives with them in their parent's basement. If it didn't rain for three days they would be screaming global warming, demand a larger tank to store water, and die of dehydration from all the tears they shed.

They are the goldfish of Eve, swimming around New Eden bumping in to mirrors and screaming at themselves for being in the way because their short term memory is about thirty seconds. Like little yapping boot polishing toy-breed dogs they serve little purpose but to make noise, **** the carpets, and on an extremely rare occasion manage to disrupt or kill a much larger dog by getting caught in its throat.

You need to give it time. The Eve economy is a process, not a single act. You need to understand that every change needs time to gestate before coming to fruition. One human can make one baby in nine months. The forum whiners believe that if nine people work together (the Goons) they can make the baby happen in one month. The actual long term effects will still take nine months. In those same nine months you can make a baby of your own, but you want it in two weeks. Unless your last name is Jolie, it probably isn't going to magically appear.

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#24 - 2012-05-12 03:01:15 UTC
Most excellent.

I hear all these bears claiming how much the pvpers will cry when T1 cruisers cost 600 million, and it makes me wonder if these people skipped grade school to mine space rocks. Are they really that daft to think that if the rewards of high-sec mining overshadow the rewards of activities like running wormhole and null-sec anomalies, no one will jump at the opportunity to grab that money? Do people not have even the most basic understanding of supply and demand?

I can only hope that mining becomes so profitable, though chances are it won't. Do you think that I wouldn't hit the belts myself if two cycles of Veldspar pay for a PLEX? And don't tell me that I'm going to immediately get ganked; I've been exclusively killing people for eight years. It's not going to happen, because I'm not a failure who doesn't understand basic game mechanics, fitting principles, and combat tactics.

I hope every single high-sec miner rage-quits in tears. Until they do, I'll be upping my ransom prices on T1 hulls, which are finally worth something.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Desert Ice78
Gryphons of the Western Wind
#25 - 2012-05-12 03:11:45 UTC
Andski wrote:
Torneach wrote:
Andski wrote:
look at all the miners thinking that there isn't a huge amount of stockpiled minerals


Yeah, cause stockpiles are automatically self-replenishing. Roll


please continue to overestimate your value to the health of the economy


The goons have this quite peculiar notion that they are immune from their own disease. They are not, and they will discover this before long.

I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg

CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused.
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-05-12 03:14:58 UTC
James 315 wrote:

Two weeks ago, I wrote a Manifesto II in which I called upon the people of EVE to put a stop to all mining in highsec.


And since that time I've noticed a marked and shameful decrease in both the quantity and quality of your insanity. This is shoddy work, really second rate.

Please return to huffing paint or whatever other method you use to court your muse. Unless you can pick things up, we're going to have to let you go.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#27 - 2012-05-12 03:17:49 UTC
For some reason, this makes me want to go back to mining...
Ian Mcmantry
The 9th Infinitus
#28 - 2012-05-12 04:04:26 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
I once sat next to a miner in my tengu and it warped out. When i told him that i was not going to gank him in my ship he said that he could not be sure.

Which adds evidence that miners have the least knowledge about this game than any other profession.


Or.. someone said that before in a pretty ship and did it anyway,and they were afraid... I have seen it... and i laughed at both of them.
hank boar
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-05-12 04:40:38 UTC
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-05-12 04:47:06 UTC
Only HALF!?

That's not nearly good enough, ice still flowing freely in Hek. That means all the ice systems around it are in dire need of some Hulkageddoning

Burn them! BURN THEM ALL!

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-05-12 04:49:31 UTC
Lexmana
#32 - 2012-05-12 04:54:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Shorter than I expected but still a good read. The sad part of it though, is that the bots are increasing their profits if they can avoid being ganked.
Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-05-12 04:58:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Daneirkus Auralex
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
If no-one is mining, and the bots are all banned, then how do you expect to pay for your ships in a years time when a cruiser costs 600mil? Or when you have to go out mining to build it....oh wait, you can't do that because you will just get blown up.

I'm pretty sure I'd be able to mine happily in the comfort of Fountain, surrounded by our many allies and friends, with 4 friendly fleets patrolling the region and scores of soothing logistics ships and healing capital ships around. That is, if I should ever choose to do such a thing.

Edit: sorry :-(
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#34 - 2012-05-12 05:12:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Ocih
Karn Dulake wrote:
I once sat next to a miner in my tengu and it warped out. When i told him that i was not going to gank him in my ship he said that he could not be sure.

Which adds evidence that miners have the least knowledge about this game than any other profession.


No, it would suggest you have no experience as a Miner.
He wasn't expecting you to lock him with your Tengu, he was expecting your 3 mill Desi alt to warp to you so it could lock him at Optimal, leaving him no chance to align and get to 75%.

Gratz on winning the "war". of course now all you null, whine bears can do what you say you hate. Mine your own ******* minerals. Have fun.

- I run level 3 missions in Drakes and Damnations and I have enough of both to keep me occupied for the next 20 years. I don't care how much they cost anymore.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#35 - 2012-05-12 05:17:04 UTC
James 315 wrote:
As for the gankers, their numbers are growing rapidly. Each day, more and more pilots are getting hooked on ganking.


No, more and more pilots are getting hooked on the sucker payments handed out by Goonswarm. 100M ISK for every 10 Hulks blown up. Don't make the mistake of assuming that these pilots would be out there blowing Hulks up if there weren't significant rewards on offer. They weren't blowing up miners before Hulkageddon, they won't be blowing up miners after Hulkageddon.

100M ISK for blowing up 10 Hulks is a pretty decent motivator, wouldn't you agree?

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#36 - 2012-05-12 05:20:30 UTC
Ocih wrote:
- I run level 3 missions in Drakes and Damnations and I have enough of both to keep me occupied for the next 20 years. I don't care how much they cost anymore.

It's okay, it will take you much less than 20 years to quit out of boredom.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#37 - 2012-05-12 05:22:00 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
James 315 wrote:
As for the gankers, their numbers are growing rapidly. Each day, more and more pilots are getting hooked on ganking.


No, more and more pilots are getting hooked on the sucker payments handed out by Goonswarm. 100M ISK for every 10 Hulks blown up. Don't make the mistake of assuming that these pilots would be out there blowing Hulks up if there weren't significant rewards on offer. They weren't blowing up miners before Hulkageddon, they won't be blowing up miners after Hulkageddon.

100M ISK for blowing up 10 Hulks is a pretty decent motivator, wouldn't you agree?

That barely covers the cost of the gear used to gank them, and when you consider sec status lost (unless you use dedicated gank alts, in which case you're not really after the money anyway), you don't even break even.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#38 - 2012-05-12 05:26:28 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Ocih wrote:
- I run level 3 missions in Drakes and Damnations and I have enough of both to keep me occupied for the next 20 years. I don't care how much they cost anymore.

It's okay, it will take you much less than 20 years to quit out of boredom.


6 years and counting.
When it comes to the waiting games and siege warfare by douchebags, I'm better at this than you. Count on it.
Daneirkus Auralex
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-05-12 05:26:31 UTC
Ocih wrote:
[quote=Karn Dulake]
Gratz on winning the "war". of course now all you null, whine bears can do what you say you hate. Mine your own ******* minerals. Have fun.

I'd just like to add that if a large, null-sec alliance REALLY needed minerals, and it was impossible to procure them through normal means, its leadership would probably coordinate with allies, schedule a fleet, send some pings, and lo and behold, next thing you know there would be a multifaceted operation with 100 exhumers, 30 logistics, 15 orcas, 10 rorquals and a couple titans to bridge everyone around, plus 200 armor hacs w/ support on patrol spewing bubbles everywhere to protect the fleet, plus 25 carriers and 15 supercarriers on standby within jump range, a wing of stealth bombers patrolling the region, and rifterswarms guarding all the gates. And the entire constellation would probably be clear of ore within a few hours.

Perhaps people should make some friends, come to nullsec and start playing the real game.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#40 - 2012-05-12 05:33:55 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Ocih wrote:
- I run level 3 missions in Drakes and Damnations and I have enough of both to keep me occupied for the next 20 years. I don't care how much they cost anymore.

It's okay, it will take you much less than 20 years to quit out of boredom.


6 years and counting.
When it comes to the waiting games and siege warfare by douchebags, I'm better at this than you. Count on it.

I always believe what people tell me on the internet, without question.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted