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New dev blog: Alliance Tournament X Sign Ups, Commentators and Schedule

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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#81 - 2012-05-11 15:06:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
Tosh Lines wrote:

That makes no sense, I am looking at it from a business perspective.


No you are not. Otherwise you'd be cheering. (businesslike)

Tosh Lines wrote:
You can still pay entirely with ISK,


Then stop complaining

Tosh Lines wrote:
but you have to convert it to PLEX and take 10 PLEX of the market per alliance. Thus increasing the demand - when 60+ alliances enter thats 600+ plex bought up in Jita, it has an effect on supply which appears to be the entire point of the exercise.


Hence the business side comment of smartness.


Tosh Lines wrote:
Prices go up, people see the generous ISK return for PLEX and are more interested in buying ISK CCPs legal way.

Business: b : a commercial or sometimes an industrial enterprise; also : such enterprises you really don't get that. (I left that last part in for you)

Tosh Lines wrote:
It's unnecessary and along with fanfest tickets for plex, graphics cards for plex etc... is part of a growing trend. How many player rebellions do CCP need to understand this?


Maybe, but you know what, its good business. And I rebelled , shot an cancelled out of Aurum, not out of plex, nobody in their right mind would oppose plex and expect to have posse behind him.

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
steave435
Perkone
Caldari State
#82 - 2012-05-11 15:20:17 UTC
Last year:
CCP: We can't broadcast the 5 man matches because it would cost too much
Players: That sucks, we'd be willing to pay PLEX to get them broadcasted as well

This year:
CCP: Ok, we'll broadcast everything, but to fund it we'll have to change the entrance fee from isk to PLEX
Players: WAAAH, we don't wanna pay!

Running a broadcast like this requires multiple camera operators, both in the studio with real cameras and in the game showing the action. In addition to that, you need a producer to decide what camera feeds are sent out at any given time and technicians to make sure everything keeps running smoothly. Add in the light and audio technicians handling those parts, Soundwave and Sunset in the studio/commentators booth, all other devs that show up to visit in the studio, whoever is the judge in game this year and the GMs that handle getting people into system and checking their fits and pilots. That's a pretty large team that need to be paid, and despite that, it's just the minimum. They probably have other people there handling other parts I forgot about, or special roles like watching the forums and other channels for feedback/questions.

The costs are not limited to just that though. The camera equipment used in studio environments is very expensive and is only needed twice a year, for the AT and Fanfest, the work hours spent finding and making deals with the different potential providers and the time spent testing to make sure it all works and the pure broadcasting cost itself, a broadcasting service that needs to support tens of thousands of people watching is not free.

All in all, it really is very expensive to run, so if they want to pass on at least some of the costs to the participants, just like any other RL sports event, then that's perfectly fine. Stop whining and just don't sign up if you can't afford it.
CCP Soundwave
C C P
C C P Alliance
#83 - 2012-05-11 16:25:19 UTC
Hey guys!

Let me quickly delve into the PLEX issue:

The alliance tournament started out as something the community ran, with backing from CCP. Over the years, it became a very expensive project that was eventually shut down for financial reasons. Seeing that a lot of the early crew had started working for CCP somewhere along the road, a group of us picked it up again.

The first "new" tournament was really bare-bones, limited coverage just to prove we could do it at a smaller budget. Since then, we've wanted to scale up; multiple weekends, broadcasting the entire time, flying experts out to cover etc. The truth is that unless we find ways of funding the tournament ourselves, it just won't happen and certainly not at the same standard we've been going towards. The idea of using PLEX came up because it allows us to generate money going directly into the show/tournaments production, letting us do what we want while also letting players chose to pay their entry fee with ISK, by buying PLEX off the market.

That's the short version of it Big smile
Damir Delon
Tribe of One
Injustice League.
#84 - 2012-05-11 16:27:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Damir Delon
steave435 wrote:

All in all, it really is very expensive to run, so if they want to pass on at least some of the costs to the participants, just like any other RL sports event, then that's perfectly fine. Stop whining and just don't sign up if you can't afford it.


1. I thought TV rights were sold to countries in RL sports.
2. I thought in RL sports players who compeat and make the sport get paid.
3. I thought the viewers going to the games to watch paid the fee, not the players entering the field
Cathrine Kenchov
Ice Cold Ellites
#85 - 2012-05-11 16:58:02 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Hey guys!

Let me quickly delve into the PLEX issue:

The alliance tournament started out as something the community ran, with backing from CCP. Over the years, it became a very expensive project that was eventually shut down for financial reasons. Seeing that a lot of the early crew had started working for CCP somewhere along the road, a group of us picked it up again.

The first "new" tournament was really bare-bones, limited coverage just to prove we could do it at a smaller budget. Since then, we've wanted to scale up; multiple weekends, broadcasting the entire time, flying experts out to cover etc. The truth is that unless we find ways of funding the tournament ourselves, it just won't happen and certainly not at the same standard we've been going towards. The idea of using PLEX came up because it allows us to generate money going directly into the show/tournaments production, letting us do what we want while also letting players chose to pay their entry fee with ISK, by buying PLEX off the market.

That's the short version of it Big smile


I think its a cool idea. It literally doesn't cost the alliance any more than before, and lets you guys have a nice budget for it (of which i cannot complain, the AT is one of my more favorite things about eve)

You should have done it sooner
Tosh Lines
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2012-05-11 17:44:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tosh Lines
You've misunderstood Lazarus.

It's the artificial inflation of PLEX prices by CCP that is growing wearysome.

600 PLEXes disappearing from market in one swoop will keep PLEX artificially high and there will be plenty more "offers" at regular intervals keeping them high. It's not about the cost for tournament entry, I don't care if CCP want to charge $175 by the back door for it. Don't like it don't enter. What I don't like is them shifting it also into inflated PLEX prices

This makes it more attractive to those who wish to $=>ISK. Something I've never agreed with in the first place and now it's littered with madcap schemes and offers.

Meanwhile relatively simple things that need fixing are completely ignored.

The Orca thing I mentioned kinda ruins low sec, people camp in Tech3s ontop of an orca. If they don't like their odds they just dock in the orca and have it jump safely into highsec where it cannot be attacked, except by suicide squad. It's totally safe, protects expensive ships and skill loss. I wouldn't be surprised if CCP don't even know what I'm talking about, but I'm damned sure they can correctly tell me the price of Plex in Jita down to the 2 decimal places.
Zastrow
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#87 - 2012-05-11 17:48:09 UTC
Have you missed that the AT is on the weekends and isnt interrupting game development time at all ?
Tosh Lines
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2012-05-11 18:09:26 UTC
Zastrow wrote:
Have you missed that the AT is on the weekends and isnt interrupting game development time at all ?

No I haven't. Why is it that you might think I had?
Lazarus Telraven
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#89 - 2012-05-11 18:23:27 UTC
Tosh Lines wrote:
You've misunderstood Lazarus.

It's the artificial inflation of PLEX prices by CCP that is growing wearysome.

600 PLEXes disappearing from market in one swoop will keep PLEX artificially high and there will be plenty more "offers" at regular intervals keeping them high. It's not about the cost for tournament entry, I don't care if CCP want to charge $175 by the back door for it. Don't like it don't enter. What I don't like is them shifting it also into inflated PLEX prices

This makes it more attractive to those who wish to $=>ISK. Something I've never agreed with in the first place and now it's littered with madcap schemes and offers.

Meanwhile relatively simple things that need fixing are completely ignored.

The Orca thing I mentioned kinda ruins low sec, people camp in Tech3s ontop of an orca. If they don't like their odds they just dock in the orca and have it jump safely into highsec where it cannot be attacked, except by suicide squad. It's totally safe, protects expensive ships and skill loss. I wouldn't be surprised if CCP don't even know what I'm talking about, but I'm damned sure they can correctly tell me the price of Plex in Jita down to the 2 decimal places.


600 Plex being taken from the market is actually a relatively small number, if you look at the market data (i have not looked at it recently) but a month or so ago it was near 2k plex being traded per day. A lot of PLEX are being moved through the market on a daily basis so 600 PLEX might spike the price for a day or two but the price wont sustain at that rate as its not a constant demand.

However on the subject of the orca exploit have you tried sending in a bug report about it or filing an exploit petition, a lot of the times an issue may be cited on the forums but unless there is a bug reported filed on it then it wont get added to the "To Do list." Its like if you are at work and something breaks be it the copy machine or a computer etc.. what do you do? you call file a ticket/work order for it so that there is a log/record that people can go by to take the necessary actions to get things fixed. And one of the potential problems with the storing a ship mid combat is that whilst it effects things in lowsec it happens on an even larger scale in null-sec with carriers/rorquals/titans etc. But my best advice is submit a bug report for it and see what the Devs have to say :)
Tosh Lines
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2012-05-11 18:32:18 UTC
Lazarus Telraven wrote:
But my best advice is submit a bug report for it and see what the Devs have to say :)


Last bug report I made it was literally 4 months before it was even looked at, response was that it wasn't a bug but infact a suggestion and I should make a post in the ideas forum instead.

I'll make a BR and report back my findings in september.
Lazarus Telraven
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#91 - 2012-05-11 18:41:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lazarus Telraven
Tosh Lines wrote:
Lazarus Telraven wrote:
But my best advice is submit a bug report for it and see what the Devs have to say :)


Last bug report I made it was literally 4 months before it was even looked at, response was that it wasn't a bug but infact a suggestion and I should make a post in the ideas forum instead.

I'll make a BR and report back my findings in september.



Great :) i am intrigued to find out what they have to say about it because in Null Sec you will see carrier blobs supported by Tech3 cruisers for tackle storing and reboarding their ships when they get primaried and since the ship is stored it renders the target taking no damage and the only way to stop it is to smartbomb/kill the POD before they can get into a new ship.

edit: also keep in mind with all of the new features/modules/etc coming out with inferno soon that a lot of CCPs time is going into making sure they have the kinks worked out of those so i wouldn't expect to much immediately but i dont see it being 4 months!
Tosh Lines
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2012-05-11 18:49:08 UTC
Lazarus Telraven wrote:
Tosh Lines wrote:
Lazarus Telraven wrote:
But my best advice is submit a bug report for it and see what the Devs have to say :)


Last bug report I made it was literally 4 months before it was even looked at, response was that it wasn't a bug but infact a suggestion and I should make a post in the ideas forum instead.

I'll make a BR and report back my findings in september.



Great :) i am intrigued to find out what they have to say about it because in Null Sec you will see carrier blobs supported by Tech3 cruisers for tackle storing and reboarding their ships when they get primaried and since the ship is stored it renders the target taking no damage and the only way to stop it is to smartbomb/kill the POD before they can get into a new ship.

edit: also keep in mind with all of the new features/modules/etc coming out with inferno soon that a lot of CCPs time is going into making sure they have the kinks worked out of those so i wouldn't expect to much immediately but i dont see it being 4 months!


In low sec you can't even kill the pod as the orca's sitting ontop of the gate so smartbombing isn't an option. Also no bubbles and pods virtually instawarp. Zero way to counter it, but hey, if you want PvP watch the tournament eh? Smile
Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#93 - 2012-05-11 19:30:07 UTC
Will all four weekends be available through the CCP Youtube page or just the final two main rounds be available for later viewing?
Komen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-05-11 23:27:32 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Last year was amazing.

Since this is our 10th anniversary, I expect it to be 10 times as awesome.



The last alliance tournament was certainly amazing. I was gobsmacked you were sitting there praising the guys who cheated, match-fixed, and stole the final prize. Yes yes, Eve metagame blah blah blah. This is a PvP tourney. I came to watch PvP, not conga-lines. The actual PvPing was not very amazing at all.

I'm certainly glad to see that the rules this year give the ability to toss out such cheating directly. Be directly certain that the joke of an alliance tourney last time around helped to fuel the summer of rage. It was one of the (many) logs on the fire.

There, that's off my chest. Looking forward to this tourney. Let's have some good clean spaceship murderin' fun.
steave435
Perkone
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-05-11 23:42:52 UTC
Damir Delon wrote:
steave435 wrote:

All in all, it really is very expensive to run, so if they want to pass on at least some of the costs to the participants, just like any other RL sports event, then that's perfectly fine. Stop whining and just don't sign up if you can't afford it.


1. I thought TV rights were sold to countries in RL sports.
2. I thought in RL sports players who compeat and make the sport get paid.
3. I thought the viewers going to the games to watch paid the fee, not the players entering the field


For sports that draw enough attention to attract crowds large enough to support it that way, yes. For that, we're talking MANY times more then the AT draws though.
For smaller events where there is not enough interest to make money trough those 3 steps, the participants pay.
Ramman K'arojic
Lone Star Warriors
Brave Collective
#96 - 2012-05-12 00:03:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramman K'arojic
Removed for being stupid.. Wrong thread.
MR rockafella
Santa's Factory
#97 - 2012-05-12 09:46:37 UTC
Here is a suggestion for you guys @ ccp, why dont you guys contact samsung@smarttv and make an app for streaming the eve turney so i can watch on my 55'inc samsung tv in high def....

i might even go as far as being willing to pay a plex for this.


ps FUKIN FIX THE FUKIN r.a.m. rounding bug in production +4 year old bug.
Planetmaster
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2012-05-12 13:29:26 UTC
Hi

Some questions for CCP and Producers of AT

1. Why same people as commentators ?

2. Why so many people from CFC / Goons / Tests etc.

3. Dont have "any new" players to be commentators ?

4. Check kills Commentator's kills .. well they are not "so active" in game anymore

Raivi
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50415

Lazarus Telraven
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=46509

Zastrow
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=98540

michael boltonIII
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=596179

Kil2
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=83996

5. Why only native English commentators ? Eve is English game only ?

6. Sorry for my questions but more ppl are starting to see it in that way

Its not good for company PR when you are making sort of SUPERSTARS of EveTV.. Think about that. And yeah for ordinary player like me is starting to be sort of "Elite Club" where bunch of guys starting to be Devs best friends.... .
steave435
Perkone
Caldari State
#99 - 2012-05-12 13:53:10 UTC
Planetmaster wrote:
Hi

Some questions for CCP and Producers of AT

1. Why same people as commentators ?

2. Why so many people from CFC / Goons / Tests etc.

3. Dont have "any new" players to be commentators ?

4. Check kills Commentator's kills .. well they are not "so active" in game anymore
...

5. Why only native English commentators ? Eve is English game only ?

6. Sorry for my questions but more ppl are starting to see it in that way

Its not good for company PR when you are making sort of SUPERSTARS of EveTV.. Think about that. And yeah for ordinary player like me is starting to be sort of "Elite Club" where bunch of guys starting to be Devs best friends.... .


1+3. They did a good job before, and I think Lazarus i new

2. Doesn't matter at all, where one is from doesn't matter at all as a commentator, but the CFC is the largest non-russian coalition, and if you have the most players, there's a higher chance that the best commentators will be in your coalition.

4. That doesn't matter, the tournament is very different from normal EVE.

5. The broadcast will be in english, so the commentators obviously need to be very good at it. I don't know if all of them are this year, but it hasn't been the case before, so if it is this year, it's not due to a "you have to be a native speaker" rule.
Planetmaster
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2012-05-12 14:28:02 UTC


1+3. They did a good job before, and I think Lazarus i new

But its game is about fun. Why no chance for others to go to the iceland be commentator etc ? Its not fair sorta

2. Doesn't matter at all, where one is from doesn't matter at all as a commentator, but the CFC is the largest non-russian coalition, and if you have the most players, there's a higher chance that the best commentators will be in your coalition.

And what is the point ? You need to be the largest to be the smartest ? Sorry but Bollton is not the smartest guy. For many ppl he is annoying. And he will be drunk probably..

4. That doesn't matter, the tournament is very different from normal EVE.

Well its not. CCP line is all about PvP not about .. I dont know.. RPG.. So yeah AT is very about EVE

5. The broadcast will be in english, so the commentators obviously need to be very good at it. I don't know if all of them are this year, but it hasn't been the case before, so if it is this year, it's not due to a "you have to be a native speaker" rule.

Hilmar and all rest of Iceland PPL are not always great in English ! Why no Russian or any other as commentator ? Its stupid. Coz we are all capsullers . Are we ? Or they are worst and better capsullers ?